[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

[council] FYI. What do you intend to do ?


FYI. This message is resent to:
     - council@dnso.org list which includes ICANN lawyers and CEO;
       Becky Burr, Esther Dyson and Jonathan Zittrain added
     - a group of European lawyers from CENTR
     - Chair and Alternate Chair of the DNSO GA
     - AFNIC directors

I have two main questions, and I am publicly asking you to have
it considered by the ICANN Board and by the DNSO Names Council:
     - do you accept to be offended is such a way ? this kind of messages
       has been sent for months (by individuals from Canada and US), and
       I already informed in due time ICANN lawyers and CEO
     - how to proceed with such offences from the legal point of view ?

I am relieved to note than even some US citizens feel uncomfortable.

Elisabeth
 
| From schuckman@starpower.net Tue Feb 29 01:28 MET 2000
| From: "Greg Schuckman" <schuckman@starpower.net>
| To: "Elisabeth Porteneuve" <Elisabeth.Porteneuve@dnso.org>
| Cc: "Lauren Gaviser" <lgaviser@register.com>
| Subject: Comments on the DNSO listserves
| Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:33:45 -0500
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| X-Priority: 3
| X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300
| 
| This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
| 
| ------=_NextPart_000_0308_01BF8222.BA444B00
| Content-Type: text/plain;
| 	charset="iso-8859-1"
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
| 
| Elisabeth:
| 
| My name is Greg Schuckman and I recently joined register.com as their =
| Manager of Policy of Public Affairs.  My colleague, Lauren Gaviser, =
| recommended that I get on many of the DNSO listserves to become more =
| enlightened about the issues that I will face in the course of doing my =
| job.  However, coming from a policy environment in Washington, DC that =
| admittedly can be raucous at times, it pales in comparison to the =
| language and vulgarity that I have witnessed on some of the DNSO =
| listserves over the last few weeks.
| 
| In specific, one message that I received today that was addressed from =
| Dr. Joe Baptista to Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> and CC to: =
| idno-discuss@idno.org, karl.peters@bridgecompanies.com, =
| DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET, list@ifwp.org, ga@dnso.org goes beyond =
| any shred of decency that a professional would expect to encounter.  The =
| message (regretfully pasted below) contains some very crude remarks that =
| are inappropriate and highly offensive to those of us who do not want to =
| be subjected to this type of discourse in what should be a serious and =
| constructive environment.  I sent this message to you Elisabeth because =
| I believe some of the offensive language was directed at you.  While the =
| language is repulsive, I wanted to be sure that you were aware of it so =
| that you could pursue whatever corrective action was available to you as =
| well as let you know how it has affected other members of the DNSO =
| community like myself.
| 
| To the extent that the DNSO and/or ICANN has any censorship powers over =
| individuals like Mr. Baptista or Mr.Williams, I would support their =
| immediate and unconditional removal from the DNSO community as they have =
| gone beyond being disruptive, petty and off-putting to flagrantly =
| offensive and malicious with intent.  Ms. Porteneuve, I regret that you =
| should be subjected to such language and hope that the DNSO will be able =
| to restore some level of dignity and purpose to these listserves.  While =
| the Internet was created in part to enable people to express their =
| opinions free of censorship, the Internet policy community should be =
| held to a higher standard with respect to what the world could see when =
| looking at these public forums and archives.  As the DNSO has the =
| potential to shape policy for the Internet as it continues to evolve, =
| there must also be a commensurate responsibility to use that power not =
| only wisely, but honorably as well.  By their repeated vulgarity, these =
| men dishonor the entire DNSO and serve only to disrupt that which many =
| of us subscribe to the listserv for in the first place:  an open, candid =
| discussion about domain name policy and an attempt to reach (build) =
| consensus toward a position that advances the common interest.
| 
| I look forward to meting you later this week in Cairo.
| 
| Sincerely,
| 
| Greg Schuckman
| Manager of Policy and Public Affairs
| register.com
| 6509 Castine Lane
| Springfield, VA  22150-4277
| (703) 866-4611
| gschuckman@register.com
| 
| -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
| -------
| 
| I don't feel belittled by Walsh's nomination.  I'm amused.  It is clear
| the Walsh nomination was little more then fan fare from an individual no
| one takes seriously anymore.
| 
| I support Karl Aubridges nomination.  He's a good man for the job.
| 
| Regards
| Joe Baptista
| 
| On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
| 
| > Karl and all IDNO'ers
| >
| >   I was and still am quite serious in my remarks.  The Wager is one =
| that is
| > meant in fun towards William's and Andrew's post which was belittling =
| Joe,
| > in a most distasteful manner.  I am none the less serious in my Wager
| > as well.  I find your shining here a bit obtuse Karl, But that is just
| > my opinion, who know, I may be wrong....
| >
| >
| > Karl E. Peters wrote:
| >
| > > This whole line of "conversation" is disgusting and belittling of =
| the CA/IDNO list,
| > > even by CA/ IDNO standards. May we have some discipline please!!! =
| (If not
| > > self-discipline, perhaps too much to ask for among this group, at =
| least some
| > > corporate discipline.  We are already a laughing stock, why feed the =
| flames with this
| > > stuff?
| > >
| > > Karl E. Peters
| > >
| > > "!Dr. Joe Baptista" wrote:
| > >
| > > > Getting a picture with eleizabeth is not much of a challenge.  Now =
| - how
| > > > much would I get if we got a picture of me and elizabeth in bed.  =
| Now
| > > > that's a picture worth a few bucks in entertainment value alone =
| ;-)
| > > >
| > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
| > > >
| > > > > All IDNO'ers,
| > > > >
| > > > >   Nice bit of humor here to break up the monotony a bit!  >;) =
| All be
| > > > > it mean spirited in a sense.
| > > > >
| > > > >   In that interest I will make a different wager to Joe himself =
| should he be
| > > > > elected, and accept the challenge.  I will put up $100.00 US if =
| he can
| > > > > get himself and Elisabeth in a picture together with her wearing =
| red latex
| > > > > in a compromising position!  >;)  I am sure she is drooling at =
| the thought!
| > > > > (Just joking there)  >;)  And Joe, I will supply the microcam to =
| boot, ok?
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > William X. Walsh wrote:
| > > > >
| > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
| > > > > > Hash: SHA1
| > > > > >
| > > > > > On 28-Feb-2000 Andy Gardner wrote:
| > > > > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
| > > > > > >>Hash: SHA1
| > > > > > >>
| > > > > > >>
| > > > > > >>Since the IDNO cannot and will not be taken seriously in its =
| current state,
| > > > > > >>only a spokesperson who is not and cannot be serious would =
| be appropriate.
| > > > > > >>
| > > > > > >>Therefore I, in all seriousness, nominate our esteemed =
| member Joe Baptista.
| > > > > > >>
| > > > > > >>The state this organization is in, there is no more fitting =
| spokesperson.
| > > > > > >>
| > > > > > >>I ask for an immediate second.
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > Seconded.
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > Not that the IDNO has any business being there in its =
| current state,
| > > > > > > but it would be great to finance the attendance of Joe =
| Baptista. It
| > > > > > > would make watching the webcast so much more fun.
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > $20 to the first person who can manage to get a .jpg with =
| Joe and
| > > > > > > Elizabeth P in the same frame. :^)
| > > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Consider this a matching pledge  :)
| > > > > >
| > > > > > - --
| > > > > > William X. Walsh <william@userfriendly.com>
| > > > > > http://userfriendly.com/
| > > > > > Fax: 877-860-5412 or +1-559-851-9192
| > > > > > GPG/PGP Key at http://userfriendly.com/wwalsh.gpg
| > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
| > > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux)
| > > > > > Comment: DSo Networks
| > > > > >
| > > > > > =
| iD8DBQE4unYe8zLmV94Pz+IRAhwRAKC4JuFtiU3mBdQ0+e4p4yKdtW1esQCfb0sh
| > > > > > uh6Yjy+JsgoGNfmekkvBeck=3D
| > > > > > =3DuGU7
| > > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
| > > > > >
| > > > > > _______________________________________________
| > > > > > Idno-discuss mailing list
| > > > > > Idno-discuss@idno.org
| > > > > > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/idno-discuss
| > > > >
| > > > > Regards,
| > > > >
| > > > > --
| > > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
| > > > > Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
| > > > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
| > > > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
| > > > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
| > > > > Contact Number:  972-447-1894
| > > > > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > _______________________________________________
| > > > > Idno-discuss mailing list
| > > > > Idno-discuss@idno.org
| > > > > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/idno-discuss
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > > _______________________________________________
| > > > Idno-discuss mailing list
| > > > Idno-discuss@idno.org
| > > > http://listserver.actrix.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/idno-discuss
| >
| > Regards,
| >
| > --
| > Jeffrey A. Williams
| > Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
| > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
| > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
| > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
| > Contact Number:  972-447-1894
| > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas=20
| 
| ------=_NextPart_000_0308_01BF8222.BA444B00