[council] Re: your recent complaints

["Patrick Corliss" <patrick@quad.net.au>]

Hi Ken

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:52:03 -0400, Ken Stubbs wrote:
> this is a personal opinion here...

Thank you, constructive comments are always appreciated.

<snip>
> why dont you solicit for services from your members. then you can manage
> your own problems, hold your own votes, generally do things your own way.

We can try.  It's certainly worth a shot.

> maybe you could convince some of the parties who spend inordinate amounts
> of time writing eloquent dialogues to apply some of their energy to
> providing constructive solutions to  "ga" communication problems.

That is much of the problem.  "More a chat room than a board room".

> cross postings are not the only problems and frankly your as guilty as the
> rest patrick when you copy the council on a note to philip, (you know he
> is a member of the council so why mail him separately).

It's standard practice and helps in sorting mail by people.  You do it too:

Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:15:09 -0400, Digitel - Ken Stubbs <kstubbs@digitel.net>
To: Patrick Corliss <patrick@quad.net.au>; David Farrar <david@farrar.com>
Cc: [GA] <ga@dnso.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of William Walsh for mass postings

Of course cross postings are not the only problem.  However, my feeling is
that a better list environment would be much more conducive to successful
outcomes.  And that is a problem as you have noted yourself.

One part of that is to eliminate cross-postings.  A good example is
[ga-abuse] which gets as much traffic as any normal mailing list.  Two list
monitors have resigned.  The other two have given up dealing with
complaints.  Abusive posters have now got a free hand.

> ken stubbs
> p.s. a good start for helping to clear up communication problems patrick
> would be to put more appropriate subject headers in your e-mails.

From your long experience, you should be aware that my subject headings are
often innovative and well-thought out.  Some examples are:

[ga] "They're Coming To Take Me Away. Ha Ha."
[ga] Agenda for the Stockholm Meeting
[ga] Wanton Refusal of Names Council
[ga] Dependence on the DNSO Secretariat
[ga-rules] A Fairer Set of Rules, Anyone?

> your recent e-mail  i am responding to is a good example

> Subject: [council] Re: [ga] President Younger's Independence Day Address
> to the World

Sorry, Ken.  I was replying to Philip's email under his heading.  I wouldn't
normally change a heading on the first reply although it might have been
a good idea in this particular case.

In fact, I am one of the few people who raises issues like subject headers
and trimming emails as a matter of course.  Personally I think the standard
of posting is appalling.

You will find very few of my emails below a reasonable standard.

But I note we didn't really address the question re NC funding:

> Do we get to select the service provider?
> Independently of Names Council control?

Best regards
Patrick Corliss