RE: [council] Time table and problems with voting during travel

["Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>]

Ken, if you mean the full NC views, then you and I have no disagreement...
:-)



-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Stubbs [mailto:kstubbs@digitel.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 1:39 PM
To: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA; council@dnso.org
Cc: 'Louis Touton'
Subject: Re: [council] Time table and problems with voting during travel


fellow council members...

If i may "dip my oar into the water" here please

1. some concerns about the timing of the election... given the process,
there is no guarantee that a face-to-face election can necessarily be
accomplished.. (much of that will be determined by the number of candidates)

also there is the issue of "consulting with the constituancies"  between
rounds and allowing for adequate amount of time for any votes to be tendered
by names council members not in attendence (as they still would have the
right to vote and "cannot" designate proxies to anyone.. (to the best of my
knowledge)

these issues need to be both clarified.

as to your comments at the end of your message Marilyn.....
although i fully agree with you  that board members are obligated to step
beyond their constituancies;
the underlying basis behind the requirement for electing ICANN board members
from each supporting organization lends itself to the concept of the ICANN
board members from "our" DNSO being fully committed to representing OUR
perspectives and issues as they relate to the ICANN activities and our
support organizations respective role in the process in their capacity as
ICANN board members

it is incumbent on any proposed candidate to both committ to this
representation as well as demonstrate by both "past, as well as  "current"
actions, a willingness,desire & FULL committment to the DNSO .

ken stubbs


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>
To: <tony.ar.holmes@bt.com>; <Paul.Kane@reacto.com>; <ceo@vany.org>;
<council@dnso.org>; "'Philip Sheppard'" <philip.sheppard@aim.be>
Cc: "'Louis Touton'" <touton@icann.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 12:52 PM
Subject: [council] Time table and problems with voting during travel


> Folks, I'm pretty sure that Philip Sheppard is on holiday until next week,
> and do not know that he has online access. In any case, this problem is
the
> kind which the full NC membership can deal with and come up with a
> recommendation.  Timing has crept up on us. that happens. So, what do we
do
> now?
>
> As I understand the situation, we have a problem in having sufficient time
> to have nominations, support, and voting. Let's give some online
> consideration to making a request to the ICANN legal team (Louie, that's
> you, right) about what the options are. We should strive to ensure that
all
> NC reps can expect to be able to vote. Their constituencies expect that
> representation from them.  As the NC, let's see if we can make some
specific
> proposals, quickly assess them, and put forward a recommendation/request
to
> Louie about how to achieve.
>
> For instance, can any of the early phases be shortened, and what are those
> consequences?  I personally am opposed to shortening the phases of the
> election.  I will take further consultation with the BC members, as will
the
> rest of the BC reps, but on first take... I think that is a bad idea and
> that postponing the election creates fewer problems.  I regret that "we"
> didn't notice this conflict before, but you know what?  We are all
> volunteers, trying to do our best, and stuff like this happens. Let's
think
> through some solutions and approaches.
>
> Elections need to be given full attention and time needed.  Shortening the
> timing of any of the phases gives me some caution. But, I'm open to
hearing
> what others think, and need to hear back from the BC constituency, which
> Grant and I will undertake doing.
>
> Can we hold the vote in Uruguay and not disadvantage the NC members not in
> attendance.?  I don't know about that, but here's a question:   Can we
find
> out who is attending; who is calling in?  Secretariat could send a poll
> immediately to verify who plans to attend; who is firm; who is tentative;
> who is not attending.  That would help to determine practicality of face
to
> face to election.  Then, IF face to face, we would need to schedule time
and
> room, and dial in for those not in Montevideo... Is that possible?  I woul
d
> assume so, but it might mean that we need to conflict with other meetings.
> Is that a good idea? Maybe...
>
> Is it better to get the campaign period out of the way before, so that the
> rest of the work can proceed? then hold the election after the meeting.
> Sounds like a possibility to me... what do others think?
>
>
> But, can I question, though, that proxies are not possible? We'll have
some
> problem, regardless of when the election is held, about someone not being
> available.  If a NC member is not available -- live goes on; birth, death,
> taxes... etc.  A crisis will arise at some point....  Is it not possible
to
> designate someone from the Constituency, then, to carry the proxy for a NC
> member vote?  My memory isn't great, but I thought I remembered some kind
of
> designation during the last round of voting due to unusual circumstances?
>
> Louie, my personal archives have expired... but I'm sure that ICANN's
> haven't. Or the Secretariat's.  Is there any precedent?
>
> Looking forward to other's thoughts.
>
> On email campaigns, I don't know what you mean and would like to hear
more.
> We are seeking board members who will assume broad and diverse
> representation about ICANN's issues. Putting people in the position of
> making campaign promises to different constitutiences is a self defeating
> approach.  Board members are, I hope, elected because they step beyond
their
> individual perspectives and are able to look to the good of the whole,
> affected by ICANN.  I know that not all share my view about the importance
> of this.  One can ensure that all views are heard, and even advocate that
> some views are being heard well enough... but as a Board member, ensuring
> that the broad spectrum of interests is respected, reflected, and
supported
> is a key attribute.
>
>  I suggest that the candidates post statements to the list, as last time
> around. There's work for each elected NC rep to do .... each of the BC
reps
> is responsible to their own constituency to undertake outreach, take
input,
> listen to, and seek to educate/provide information to their constituency
> members. In order to do that effectively, statements from the candidates
are
> essential.
>
> It may be that statements of endorsement are also useful within a
> constituency. I leave that to each constituency to determine.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony.ar.holmes@bt.com [mailto:tony.ar.holmes@bt.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 5:03 AM
> To: Paul.Kane@reacto.com; ceo@vany.org; council@dnso.org
> Subject: RE: [council] Time table for ICANN Board election this year
>
>
> Paul
> I very much support your point regarding written e-mail campaigns, we
should
> all be judged against something more substantial than verbal statements
that
> quickly lose their accountability as time passes, (maybe you and I are
> feeling particularly paranoid because of recent events in the UK!)
>
> Regarding the election, from a personally selfish standpoint I don't
favour
> the election being held prior to Montevideo. Its purely down to the point
> that I hadn't really taken in that proxy's were not applicable and I'll be
> out of contact from 13th to 31st August.
>
> Whichever course we choose it appears somebody will be disadvantaged. The
> timing of this election is far from desirable. I hope we can find a way to
> stop this happening in the future.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul M. Kane [SMTP:Paul.Kane@reacto.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 6:42 AM
> > To: ceo@vany.org; names council
> > Subject: Re: [council] Time table for ICANN Board election this year
> >
> > Appreciating Peter's point - we have just held a Parliamentary Election
> > here in the UK and what candidates _said_ in "person"
> > before the election and what they have _done_ after the election are two
> > very different things!!
> >
> > Further, I am concerned about the logistics. Some of the NC members will
> > be travelling/touring after the Montevideo meeting
> > and possibly unable to take part in the vote. Proxy's are not applicable
> > in voting for Board members.
> >
> > With the risk of non-participation of NC representatives much lower if
the
> > election is before the travel to Montevideo and to
> > ensure a more open, transparent and genuine election,  I would prefer to
> > see written - email - campaigns (always useful to
> > see if the pledges have been achieved!!) with the election concluded
> > BEFORE Montevideo.
> >
> > I would like to support Ken Stubbs/Milton Mueller proposal to conduct
the
> > election BEFORE Montevideo ... eg: 28th August
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > Vany Martinez wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Peter:
> > >
> > > Whatever schedule for me that complies with what you
> > > said here, it is fine for me.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Vany
> > > --- Peter de Blanc <pdeblanc@usvi.net> wrote:
> > > > I would suggest that the nominations be conducted
> > > > PRIOR to the
> > > > Montevideo meeting, with the actual vote to be
> > > > conducted AFTER
> > > > Montevideo.
> > > >
> > > > This would allow for face-to-face presentation of
> > > > candidate agendas and
> > > > positions, and an opportunity to campaign.
> > > >
> > > > Peter de Blanc
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-council@dnso.org
> > > > [mailto:owner-council@dnso.org] On Behalf
> > > > Of Milton Mueller
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:06 PM
> > > > To: Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr;
> > > > kstubbs@digitel.net;
> > > > council@dnso.org; DNSO.Secretariat@dnso.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [council] Time table for ICANN Board
> > > > election this year
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree. Let's move it up even further to last of
> > > > August.
> > > >
> > > > >>> Elisabeth Porteneuve
> > > > <Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr> 07/12/01
> > > > >>> 13:39 PM >>>
> > > >
> > > > I would not recommend to vote in September 4th-6th,
> > > > because several of
> > > > us will be on the way to Montevideo, or already
> > > > sitting on meetings in
> > > > Montevideo (some starts on 5th morning). To be safe
> > > > I would avoid any
> > > > date in September prior to Montevideo.
> > > >
> > > > Would it be better ?
> > > >
> > > > Elisabeth
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > we are pushing our backs to the wall here !!!
> > > > >
> > > > > timetable is quite difficult as many will be
> > > > travelling on the 11 & 12
> > > >
> > > > > of september and it may be difficult to assemble
> > > > >
> > > > > personally i believe it would be better to move
> > > > the whole process up
> > > > > one week and start the nominations july 16 and the
> > > > election on august
> > > > > 28  or september 4th -6th (remember we are only
> > > > voting for 1 person
> > > > > and could have 2 votes/day if we wished
> > > > >
> > > > > comments please ...
> > > > >
> > > > > ken stubbs
> > > > >
> > > > > DNSO Secretariat wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Council,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The term of Amadeu Abril i Abril, ICANN Board
> > > > Director elected by
> > > > > > the DNSO Names Council in 1999 expires on 30
> > > > September 2001.
> > > > > > The remaining two DNSO elected Directors are
> > > > Alejandro Pisanty
> > > > > > (LatinAC) and Jonathan Cohen (NorthAm).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This year election will be open to candidates
> > > > from
> > > > > > 3 geographic regions: Europe, AsiaPac and
> > > > Africa.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to the procedures for election, the
> > > > proposed time table,
> > > > > > validated with Philip Sheppard is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nominations = 3 weeks:
> > > > > > Start: Monday 23 July 2001
> > > > > > End:   Monday 13 August 2001
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Endorsements = 3 weeks:
> > > > > > Start: Monday 13 August 2001
> > > > >> End:   Monday 03 September 2001
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Break for Montevideo ICANN Meetings
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vote by the NC = 4 days:
> > > > > > Start: Wednesday 12 September 2001
> > > > > > End:   Saturday 15 September 2001 - telecon to
> > > > confirm results
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We MUST provide results to ICANN no later than
> > > > 16 September (it was
> > > > > > checked with Louis Touton last year for legal
> > > > reasons).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ICANN Board election associated web pages
> > > > are under preparation
> > > > > > and will be ready next week.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DNSO Secretariat
> > > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales
> > > Information Technology Specialist
> > > Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
> > > http://www.sdnp.org.pa e-mail: vany@sdnp.org.pa
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