Re: [discuss] Next Names Council Meeting

[Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com>]

On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 11:38:21PM +0000, William X. Walsh wrote:
> 
> The problem here Javier is the propensity of people such as you to
> consider any criticisms from those outside your own "thought camps" to
> be "disruptive."
> 
> Personally, I don't trust YOU to make that determination.

In light of that statement, the attached message from Joop Teernstra
on the idno list is most interesting.  I note that both Dave Crocker
and myself *are* individual domain name owners, and fully entitled,
by any definition, to participate in the list.  And I hardly need to
point out that such behavior seriously undermines the credibility of
the IDNO...hopefully Joop will realize that before too long. 

For reference, in case anyone needs to check, I have placed the
relevant email messages at http://songbird.com/kent/idno (it isn't
all that difficult to create an archive...)

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From idno-request@tardis.patho.gen.nz  Sat Jun 12 21:43:08 1999                From: Joop Teernstra <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>  
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:00:51+1200                                           To: idno@radix.co.nz                                                           Subject: [IDNO:283] a democracy can defend itself                              
Dear IDNO Members,                                                             
Luckily we already have a good voting system in place.  It is easy to
go to the website and show our collective will again. 
   
I must ask you to consider ostracising two people who have invaded
our list and who are trying to play a well-tried routine at the
expense of our unity.  These people are known through their thousands
of postings over the years of the DN wars.  For some, they *are* the
DN wars.  Their postings are often disingenuous.  They are often
impolite and in breach of good form.  

Take for example the way Mr Crispin barged in, demanding to know
where the archives were. 

Or Mr Crocker, the list-guest who "does not necessarily agree" with
us, demanding that the listowner ceases a thread on peacemaking with
ISOC, demanding that the listowner ceases a thread on peacemaking
with ISOC, "immediately". 

At this stage we are still extremely vulnerable.  We are still less
than a hundred people who still have to come to a division of tasks
to channel our energies to further the best interests of all
Individual DN owners.  We cannot afford to have paid people in our
midst who have only one goal and that is to thwart us in organizing a
credible constituency.  And credible we will have to be.  You heard
that from Mr Crocker, and in that, I'm afraid, he is right. 

He said other things that are right too, and that makes what he is doing
so insidious.                                                                   
Since he himself professed that we are better off without these DNS
wars on our list, he makes it easier for us to ask him to do the
honourable thing and leave us in peace, doing what he tells us is
good for us.  

I would like to ask Mr Crispin, who reposts private messages and
insults listmembers, to do the same thing. 

I ask both of you to leave.  Please unsubscribe from idno.

I am not silencing the discussion with you.  All our members are free
to go I am not silencing the discussion with you.  All our members
are free to go to the unmoderated ifwp list to continue the argument
with you.  Just not on our construction-list. 

To back up my request I am asking for a second for this motion and
then ask the idno members of this list to vote on the issue.  I hope
you still remember login and password.  Otherwise, ask me privately. 

Please read again the article in computerwire.  It is in this context
that I'm asking you to exercise your rights in our agora and to drop
your ostrakon in the ballot box. 

Joop Teernstra
terastra@imachination.com
http://www.imachination.com

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I also note
that generally it is considered polite to peruse the archives of a
list so that one can come up to speed on the discussion...
http://songbird.com/kent/idno/0000.htm

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Kent Crispin                               "Do good, and you'll be
kent@songbird.com                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain