[ga-full] RE: [aso-policy] RE: [aso-comment] IP address holders - are they represented?

["Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net>]

APNIC is also membership based, and its Executive Council (board) is elected
directly by the membership.  Our meetings have always been open to the
public.

Our most recent meeting was on 3 March in Seoul Korea, in association with
the APRICOT conference, and was preceeded by a number of dedicated APRICOT
conference sessions on matters relating to APNIC database, security, DNS,
routing and address management policy; all of which were open to the public,
and operated on the basis of open discussion and consensus decision making.

regards,

______________________________________________________________________
Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC               <pwilson@apnic.net>
http://www.apnic.net                          ph/fx +61 7 3367 0490/82


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aso-policy@aso.icann.org
> [mailto:owner-aso-policy@aso.icann.org]On Behalf Of !Dr. Joe Baptista
> Sent: Monday, 13 March 2000 20:42
> To: mike.norris@heanet.ie
> Cc: aso-policy@lists.aso.icann.org; aso-comment@lists.aso.icann.org;
> DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET; list@ifwp.org; ga@dnso.org
> Subject: [aso-policy] RE: [aso-comment] IP address holders - are they
> represented?
>
>
> response below ..
>
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 mike.norris@heanet.ie wrote:
>
> >
> > > I am increasingly concerned that the ASO has no means of representing
> > > indivudual ipv4 holders.  The virtual infrastructure is
> represented, but
> > > those people who operate the ipv4 structure (ipv4 holders) have no
> > > representation whatsoever in the "bottoms up" ICANN process.
> > >
> > > Am i wrong in making this conclusion?
> >
> > The ASO structure is built on the RIRs (regional Internet
> registries), which
> > it
> > represents.  In Europe, the RIR is RIPE NCC, which is owned by
> its members
> > i.e.
> > all those who receive IP registry services from it (the ipv4, and ipv6,
> > holders).
> > These members, and others, attend open RIPE meetings three
> times a year and
> > this
> > forum is used to discuss and form policy, and to elect ASO
> representatives.
> > In
> > this way, address holders have a real involvement in regional policy
> > formation
> > and representation at the global level.
>
> OK - I was not aware of that with respect to RIPE.  I anticipate you are a
> member of RIPE, and that RIPE keeps you informed on this - however - ny
> ipv4 registries are via ARIN, and I have never been invited to participate
> in any vote, and have never received notice from ARIN on ICANN
> issues.  I'm not happy with that.
>
> I am also unhappy with the fact that no one has remembered to setup a
> separate constituency for ipv4 holders.  I personally do not feel
> comfortable being represented by ARIN.  I want other ipv4 holders to have
> their say and a means of interacting and participating with each other and
> having real direct input.  At this time in accordance with the existing
> structure - any representation I may have is non existent.  ARIN never
> asks nor solicits my opinion, and I don't have the opportunities of
> ownership evident in RIPE.
>
> I'd also be interested to know how the APNIC people participate, if that
> registry is directly owned by the members - like RIPE.
>
> > In addition, ICANN's membership structure
(http://members.icann.org) is open
> to
> **all** members of the Internet community and offers a broad and global
> channel
> for input and representation in Internet governance.

That's not acceptable Mike.  I think it's clear to most in the community
that the @large membership is quickly becoming an unacceptable farce and
has received considerable negative international attention.  Including a
boycott of the proceeding by President Mubarak of Egypt.

Also - ipv4 owners have considerably different interests then ICANN's
@large membership.

So - because of these reasons I don't find that avenue acceptable.

It's becoming obvious to me that a whole group of important community
members have been forgotten.

Regards
Joe Baptista


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