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[ga-full] Re: [Nc-tlds] Re: DNSO Names Council decides it can discount andignore its working groups
There's a few problems with the namespace roots which I'll spell out here.
1. Non of the namespace root servers provide for zone transfers of the
root. Therefore it is impossible to determine what tld space is in them.
2. Lack of co-operation - when John Hunt enumerated the namespace he
attempted on numerous occassions to confirm information with
namespace. Your people ignored him. Lack of co-operation in namespace is
a sure fire way to lose peoples interest.
John Hunts work in archives at http://www.earth-net.net/GTLD/
3. According to John's notes - which are still maintained in my private
files, he contacted all of your tld contacts. these were the people you
solicited for namespace creation. Non of these people had been contacted
by you, no have they ever heard anything from namespace. Alot of them
feel used. Instead of keeping these resources you have ostrasized them.
4. When one attempts to check the soa on any namespace root server - one
get's the IANA soa. This is not a proper method of operating a root
file. If there are problems in the root it should return an soa which
identifies namespace as the authority - not iana.
5. The union people have already been advised by me that .union is in
conflict with your namespace root zone.
6. I suggest you give up .union to James - according to the hunt records
.union was created by one of your boys - so that would be an easy thing to
do:
Top Level Domain: .union
Root Server Confederation: name.space
Status: Authoritative - Prior use
Uniform Resource Locator: http://namespace.pgmedia.net/
Whois Server: swhois.net
Contacts: admin@pgmedia.net
and in closing Paul - it would be the right thing to do. .union should be
run by the unions and not pgmedia/namespace. You should simply offer to
include them in your roots - and I think everyone else (i speak of the
alternate root servers) will also agree to support .union accordingly.
You have 500 or more gtlds in your root - any your not making any money on
them - all you've spend money on is legal fees. So think paul - think
carefully - because your gesture can serve to break the icann monopoly.
Regards
Joe baptista
Regards
Joe Baptista
On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Paul Garrin wrote:
> The TLD "union." has been operational on Name.Space
> servers since 1996. We will be more than happy to
> work with James Love, the unions, etc. to service
> this TLD.
>
> Registrations can be done online at
> https://secure.name-space.com/registry
>
> New registrants may choose to register for the
> first year for free.
>
> (this is not an ad)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul Garrin
> Name.Space
>
> >
> > I think James it's time for you to setup .union and have it listed with
> > the independent root servers. Get it working - get union people using it
> > and viola - you might get icanns attention.
> >
> > regards
> > joe baptista
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Michael Sondow wrote:
> >
> > > Remember what I was telling you, Jamie, about the pointlessness of
> > > playing cards with people who use their own deck?
> > >
> > > Maybe the INTA, WIPO, and other IPC lawyers who run the DNSO will
> > > let you use .UNION if you agree that they can have all the SLDs they
> > > want off the top?
> > >
> > > > From: "Mark C. Langston" <mark@bitshift.org>
> > > > To: wg-c@dnso.org
> > > > Subject: [wg-c] 1447PDT 4/18, DNSO NC made all our work irrelevant
> > > > Cc: ifwp@lists.org
> > > >
> > > > In the teleconference just now, they decided:
> > > >
> > > > 1) That WGs are not the voice of the community, and that reports that
> > > > go to the ICANN BoD should reflect their constituencies wishes instead
> > > > (several almost sotto voce comments were heard regarding the fact that
> > > > "just anyone" can participate in the working groups, and the results
> > > > should be discounted),
> > > >
> > > > 2) That new gTLDs should be introduced (Yes: 14, No: 3 Abs: 0), but
> > > >
> > > > 3) That it shouldn't be 6-10 (Yes: 5, No: 9, Abs: 2)
> > > >
> > > > They're probably going to act on WG-B's report next, and wholeheartedly
> > > > support the Sunrise proposal, because all the "dissenters" were those
> > > > unrepresented rabble who you find in open processes, and the voices
> > > > being heard couldn't possibly reflect the community.
> > > >
> > > > Pat yourselves on the back, folks. We've just wasted a year of our
> > > > lives to have a group of lawyers decide that _THEY_ should be making
> > > > these decisions, and to hell with our work if they don't agree with it.
> > > >
> > > > And just so you know, one of the staunchest and most vocal of those
> > > > speaking up regarding just tossing our results was the ever-present
> > > > Mr. Sheppard, of the Sheppard/Kleinman document, and co-NC liason to
> > > > WG-B.
> > > >
> > > > They've just aptly demonstrated that the working groups are meaningless.
> > > > We could have had just as much influence if the NC itself came up with
> > > > the report, and then opened it to public comment.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, this particular NC teleconference isn't archived anywhere
> > > > and wasn't webcast, due to "budgetary considerations". Must be the
> > > > US$75k they're having to spend for a Secretariat, huh?
> > > >
> > > > One of these days, there's going to be a _real_ threat to the
> > > > stability of the Net, and there's not much the mighty IP Constituency
> > > > and their deep pockets can do about it. Keep throwing your muscle
> > > > around like this, and you may find that the people who know how to
> > > > operate the border routers, the switches, the servers hosting
> > > > mission-critical services have had their fill of your antics,
> > > > organize, and go on strike. And unlike a factory floor, your chances
> > > > of finding scabs and strikebreakers to come in and run the machinery
> > > > for you are significantly smaller.
> > > >
> > > > - --
> > > > Mark C. Langston
> > > > mark@bitshift.org
> > > > Systems & Network Admin
> > > > San Jose, CA
> > >
> > >
> > > ============================================================
> > > Michael Sondow I.C.I.I.U. http://www.iciiu.org
> > > Tel. (718)846-7482 Fax: (603)754-8927
> > > ============================================================
> > >
> > >
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