RE: Re[2]: [ga] Press Release Warns Internet Users about ICANN

["Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>]

No one has denied you. You're just too obstinate to look in the
right places. We've been here before, with you. Also, you can
download the whois source code and that has a built-in nechanism
to get the ORSC zones, on demand. Both of these can be had from
http://www.dnso.net.

I'm betting that you already know this and are simply being a
jerk.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
Rick H
> Wesson
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 2:09 PM
> To: William X. Walsh
> Cc: John Palmer; ga@dnso.org; admin@open-rsc.org
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [ga] Press Release Warns Internet Users
> about ICANN
>
>
>
> William,
>
> I requested the zones and the ORSC folks have denied me access
to the
> zones. I don't think the 'O' in ORSC stands for open anymore.
>
> You can prove me wrong, post how to get the zone files, an axfr
would
> do me just fine if it worked.
>
> All I want is their "root" and the zones they serve, NSI
> allows me to have
> the gTLD zones and the "ICANN root" is available via anonymous
ftp.
>
> If ORSC is open then why are they reluctant to give up these
> files, after
> all I just want to do some growth stats on them. Doesn't ORSC
> want their
> growth verified by an 3rd party?
>
> what are you afraid of?
>
> -rick
>
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, William X. Walsh wrote:
>
> > Hello Rick,
> >
> > Getting them is so easy for anyone with any basic knowledge
> of dns.  I
> > really am surprised that you have not been able to do it
> yourself and
> > instead post a message insinuating that ORSC is hiding them
> from you.
> >
> > I may disagree with ORSC's current positions, but this type
of
> > mischaracterization is really out of line, especially on a
public
> > list.
> >
> > Thursday, July 06, 2000, 7:43:08 AM, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > > John,
> >
> > > I would like daily access to the zone files for the TLDs
> you are laing
> > > claim to.
> >
> > > please let me know how to get them. this is the 3rd time
> I have asked OSRC
> > > folks how to get thier zones. at least NSI provides a
> method that anyone
> > > can get them.
> >
> > > so, are you open or does the "O" in ORSC stand for
obfuscatory.
> >
> > > -rick
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, John Palmer wrote:
> >
> > >> ON THE EVE OF YOKOHAMA - A RADIO AD CAMPAIGN WARNING
INTERNET
> > >> USERS ABOUT THE DAMAGE THAT ICANN WILL DO IF IT STAYS ON
ITS
> > >> PRESENT COURSE
> > >>
> > >> CHICAGO, July 5, 2000 /BusinessWire/
> > >>
> > >> AGN Domain Name Service, Inc (ADNS -
> http://www.adns.net) today announce
> > >> that it will be launching a radio ad campaign to educate
> users about
> > >> ICANN and the changes that may be coming to the internet
> as a result of
> > >> ICANN's policies.
> > >>
> > >> ICANN stands for the Internet Corporation for Assigned
> Names and Numbers - the
> > >> organization that is attempting to make policy on the
> future of the internet.
> > >> ICANN is holding a conference in Yokohama, Japan on July
> 13 - 17 and may vote
> > >> on new domain policy at that time.
> > >>
> > >> John Palmer,  president and CEO of ADNS warns all
> internet users to watch the
> > >> developments carefully. "Changes are coming to the
> internet and they aren't
> > >> all good", Palmer said. "Special interests have hijacked
> the process and are
> > >> influencing policy in a way that will be bad for
> internet users and especially
> > >> domain holders". Palmer cites the heavy influence of the
> World Intellectual
> > >> Property Organization (WIPO) as an example. "WIPO wants
> registrars to be burdened
> > >> with the task of trademark policemen - a task that
> belongs in the courts, not
> > >> on the backs of registrars, many of the small businesses
> with limited resources".
> > >>
> > >> Another seemingly contradictory stand that ICANN is
> taking is their refusal to
> > >> recognize the intellectual property rights of Top-Level
> Domain (TLD) owners.
> > >> "ICANN seems to be interested in the protection of
> intellectual property, but
> > >> refuses to recognize the ownership of  TLDs by those who
> claimed them via the
> > >> legitimate service mark process, such as ADNS did with
> EARTH, USA and Z.",
> > >> Palmer said. He says that the biggest threat to domain
> name holders however,
> > >> is that the ICANN process would attempt to have domain
> holders sign away their
> > >> rights to use the courts to resolve disputes regarding
> domain ownership.
> > >>
> > >> Palmer is not opposed to the concept of ICANN. "The
> concept of an organization
> > >> permanently assigned to govern the few aspects of the
> internet that require
> > >> oversight is a good one, however this particular process
> has gone horribly wrong
> > >> and permanent damage to the Internet will occur if it is
> not stopped and fixed".
> > >>
> > >> The radio ad campaign which will air continuously on
> several nationally syndicated
> > >> shows will begin later this week and will run for about
> 10 days. It will inform
> > >> users about ICANN and will point them to a website that
> contains more detailed
> > >> information. One of the solutions suggested is for ISPs
> and internet users to
> > >> point their machines away from the root servers operated
> by ICANN and to
> > >> alternative providers who are not under ICANN's control.
> Instructions for doing
> > >> this are available at various websites, including that of
ADNS.
> > >>
> > >> Palmer also announced today that ADNS's  root
> nameserver, ASLAN, a member
> > >> of the Open Root Server Consortium, received 763,311
> hits in June - an
> > >> increase of over 40% over May.
> > >>
> > >> "Registrations of domains ending in EARTH, USA and Z are
> also up to several
> > >> thousand domain names. We have really seen a growth in
> registrations in the
> > >> past month due to our educational campaign", said
> Palmer. "What's more important
> > >> is that people are switching to other root server
> networks in large numbers,
> > >> showing that they do take notice and are concerned about
ICANN".
> > >>
> > >> ADNS owns the three top-level domains "EARTH", "USA" and
> "Z" and provides internet
> > >> sites with the ability to register a domain under these
> top-level domains. ADNS
> > >> has been providing internet related services since 1993.
> > >>
> > >> Each month, ADNS will offer free registration, web
> hosting service and domain
> > >> service for those registering a domain in a specific
> part of the EARTH, USA or
> > >> Z hierarchy, provided that they promise to develop
> public content under that domain name.
> > >> This month, anyone who registers a domain which ends in
> MISSISSIPPI.USA on July 10th
> > >> between 4am and 5 am Eastern Time will receive free
> registration, DNS and web hosting
> > >> services for one year.
> > >>
> > >> ADNS is part of the Open Root Server Consortium (ORSC -
http://www.open-rsc.org ),
> >> a group of individuals and organizations who are all
interested in an open, fair
> >> and technically sound global Domain Name System for the
internet. ADNS is providing
> >> ASLAN free of charge for the use of the internet community.
> >>
> >> ADNS  also operates the  internet portal site called
http://The.EARTH.
> >> This site is accessible to any computer that is pointing to
the new DNS servers.
> >>
> >> SOURCE: AGN Domain Name Service, Inc.
> >>
> >> CONTACT: John Palmer, jp@adns.net /  312-849-2753
> >>
>
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> --
> Best regards,
>  William
mailto:william@userfriendly.com
>
>

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