Re: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Simon and all,

  Basically I think you are correct Simon.  I don't see how what Alf
seem to be suggesting is viable in the current Internet marketplace,
especially for ccTLD's.  But of course we have already had this
or a similar discussion(s) before, haven't we.

Simon Higgs wrote:

> At 10:38 PM 9/4/00 +0200, Alf Hansen wrote:
>
> OK. You will force all .NO domain name holders to host their domains on
> USG-root DNS servers (that's the most you can ever hope to do). It's likely
> that those DNS servers will also host additional TLDs as they are outside
> your direct control. You will police those DNS servers and remove all .NO
> domains that are not hosted "properly". Everyone who doesn't agree with you
> is forced to go elsewhere and use another TLD. If they choose a
> non-USG-root TLD you have successfully managed to create new alt.root
> customers.
>
> Yeah, it sounds just like Europe in 1939. It makes me wonder what will
> happen in Norway to all those using the .KOSHER TLD.
>
> >Roeland,
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roeland M.J. Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@MHSC.com]
> > > Sent: 4. september 2000 19:20
> > > To: Alf.Hansen@uninett.no; ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: RE: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: Alf Hansen [mailto:Alf.Hansen@uninett.no]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:50 PM
> > >
> > > > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Simon
> > > > > Higgs
> > > > > Sent: 4. september 2000 00:22
> > >
> > > > > >And this I don't like.
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree. But certain facts of life are here to stay:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Alt.roots have been created as a direct result of:
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Alt.roots should not be created unless they follow the specs
> > > > defined by the
> > > > IETF and the IAB. If Alt. roots have been created for other
> > > > reasons, f.ex.
> > > > because some people disagree to certain aspects of
> > > > ICANN/IANA, the Alt.
> > > > roots should be abandoned.
> > >
> > > I will remind all and sundry that the three most useless phrases in the
> > > English language are "could've", "should've", and "would've",since they
> > > are all variations of reality denial. Following that, the most useless
> > > words are "could", "should", and "would", since they are all variations
> > > of wish petitioning or impotent opnionizing, unless one has direct power
> > > to follow through on them immediately. The ONLY thing that counts is
> > > what is happening RIGHT NOW!
> > >
> > > Other root-zones exist, with various flavors of success and
> > > implementation completion, right now. Wishing them away, won't make them
> > > go away. One must look at, and appreciate, the reality that caused them
> > > to exist in the first place.
> > >
> > > If you believe that the Alt.roots should not be created then stop them
> > > now, or quit your complaining, don't use them, or ignore them. Impotent
> > > venting of opinion is what we've had entirely too much of, these past
> > > four years.
> > >
> >
> >I have very limited power in this context. I will work for the establishment
> >of a contract between someone (probably ICANN) and the TLDs (perhaps an
> >identical contract for both gTLDs and ccTLDs) where operation an management
> >of the ICANN root servers will be included. In the contract(s) there should
> >("should" is all I can say for the moment...) be at least an identification
> >of the (13) ICANN root servers. And also some definition of quality of
> >service, responsibilities, contact points etc.
> >
> >I can then use my power as the manager of the .no ccTLD to sign this
> >contract (if the terms are acceptable), and thereby add some quality for the
> >general public in Norway using the .no domain. If other cc- and gTLDs do the
> >same, we will all have a better Internet service, because we are using the
> >unique a.root, as the IAB specifies.
> >
> >Using alt.roots should be abandoned in the contract. Unless otherwise agreed
> >between both parties.
> >
> >Is this unfair? I don't think so.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Alf H
> >
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> Best Regards,
>
> Simon Higgs
>
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