[ga] Offense

[Elisabeth Porteneuve <Elisabeth.Porteneuve@dnso.org>]

Request to the GA Chair's:

I hereby publicly object to the odious offense to each and
every human, when targetting Norwegians.

Elisabeth Porteneuve
born in Poland
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> From owner-ga@dnso.org Tue Sep  5 09:26 MET 2000
> X-Sender: simon@higgs.com (Unverified)
> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 22:07:52 -0700
> To: Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@wanadoo.fr>
> From: Simon Higgs <simon@higgs.com>
> Subject: RE: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member
> Cc: ga@dnso.org
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> 
> At 04:05 AM 9/5/00 +0200, Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> 
> Jefsey has a point. I apologize to anyone I've offended. I am European too 
> which is why I used the analogy. The point was not to offend, but to ensure 
> that period of history was never repeated by what is being done here.
> 
> However, I strongly reiterate that wrong answers to questions now can lead 
> (even innocently) to a wrong conclusion - and that will have a profound 
> consequence in the future if not properly checked.
> 
> The IAB have attempted to check the alt.root movement by publishing 
> RFC2826, but it falls short. I'll explain why soon.
> 
> >I accept that Alf has a real problem in understanding 2000:
> >we should show him the way in understanding 1939: at that
> >time and ever before and ever since Norway was on our side
> >and I am sure that Simon realizes he went too far.
> >
> >But, Alf, this terribly wrong remark of Simon, show you up
> >where exasperation of people may go in front of a systematic
> >denial of reality. You realize how your position leads people
> >towards alt.root?
> >
> >Let assume things go the way you want, will you send a cop
> >to every family in Norway to check they do use Windows
> >default root address? Will you stop avery Linux machine now
> >the $10 ".gnu" TLD has been refused and will be soon installed.
> >Will you call on teachers, parents, police and army to stop
> >youths when the ".mp3" becomes operational?
> >
> >Then what happens when Bill Gates decides that default is
> >now the MS-Root? Will you commit suicide? We would not
> >like that, Alf! Please stay with us...
> >Jefsey
> >
> >At 01:37 05/09/00, you wrote:
> >>At 10:38 PM 9/4/00 +0200, Alf Hansen wrote:
> >>
> >>OK. You will force all .NO domain name holders to host their domains on 
> >>USG-root DNS servers (that's the most you can ever hope to do). It's 
> >>likely that those DNS servers will also host additional TLDs as they are 
> >>outside your direct control. You will police those DNS servers and remove 
> >>all .NO domains that are not hosted "properly". Everyone who doesn't 
> >>agree with you is forced to go elsewhere and use another TLD. If they 
> >>choose a non-USG-root TLD you have successfully managed to create new 
> >>alt.root customers.
> >>
> >>Yeah, it sounds just like Europe in 1939. It makes me wonder what will 
> >>happen in Norway to all those using the .KOSHER TLD.
> >>
> >>>Roeland,
> >>>
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: Roeland M.J. Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@MHSC.com]
> >>> > Sent: 4. september 2000 19:20
> >>> > To: Alf.Hansen@uninett.no; ga@dnso.org
> >>> > Subject: RE: [ga] DNSO ICANN board member
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > > From: Alf Hansen [mailto:Alf.Hansen@uninett.no]
> >>> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:50 PM
> >>> >
> >>> > > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Simon
> >>> > > > Higgs
> >>> > > > Sent: 4. september 2000 00:22
> >>> >
> >>> > > > >And this I don't like.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > I agree. But certain facts of life are here to stay:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > 1. Alt.roots have been created as a direct result of:
> >>> > > ...
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Alt.roots should not be created unless they follow the specs
> >>> > > defined by the
> >>> > > IETF and the IAB. If Alt. roots have been created for other
> >>> > > reasons, f.ex.
> >>> > > because some people disagree to certain aspects of
> >>> > > ICANN/IANA, the Alt.
> >>> > > roots should be abandoned.
> >>> >
> >>> > I will remind all and sundry that the three most useless phrases in the
> >>> > English language are "could've", "should've", and "would've",since they
> >>> > are all variations of reality denial. Following that, the most useless
> >>> > words are "could", "should", and "would", since they are all variations
> >>> > of wish petitioning or impotent opnionizing, unless one has direct power
> >>> > to follow through on them immediately. The ONLY thing that counts is
> >>> > what is happening RIGHT NOW!
> >>> >
> >>> > Other root-zones exist, with various flavors of success and
> >>> > implementation completion, right now. Wishing them away, won't make them
> >>> > go away. One must look at, and appreciate, the reality that caused them
> >>> > to exist in the first place.
> >>> >
> >>> > If you believe that the Alt.roots should not be created then stop them
> >>> > now, or quit your complaining, don't use them, or ignore them. Impotent
> >>> > venting of opinion is what we've had entirely too much of, these past
> >>> > four years.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>I have very limited power in this context. I will work for the establishment
> >>>of a contract between someone (probably ICANN) and the TLDs (perhaps an
> >>>identical contract for both gTLDs and ccTLDs) where operation an management
> >>>of the ICANN root servers will be included. In the contract(s) there should
> >>>("should" is all I can say for the moment...) be at least an identification
> >>>of the (13) ICANN root servers. And also some definition of quality of
> >>>service, responsibilities, contact points etc.
> >>>
> >>>I can then use my power as the manager of the .no ccTLD to sign this
> >>>contract (if the terms are acceptable), and thereby add some quality for the
> >>>general public in Norway using the .no domain. If other cc- and gTLDs do the
> >>>same, we will all have a better Internet service, because we are using the
> >>>unique a.root, as the IAB specifies.
> >>>
> >>>Using alt.roots should be abandoned in the contract. Unless otherwise agreed
> >>>between both parties.
> >>>
> >>>Is this unfair? I don't think so.
> >>>
> >>>Best regards,
> >>>Alf H
> >>>
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> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>
> >>Simon Higgs
> >>
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> Best Regards,
> 
> Simon Higgs
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