Re: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General Assembly call to c hange seating rule)

[Bob Davis <bob.davis@netzero.net>]

Mr. Gomes and everyone,

  Thank you Mr. Gomes for you answer to the question posed.

Gomes, Chuck wrote:

> What I was trying to say was that according to the bylaws, the NC itself
> does not form consensus.  It is tasked with managing the consensus building
> process.  Once a recommendation is made by one of the DNSO groups, it has to
> evaluate whether or not it convinced that consensus was reached.  To do so
> requires that 2/3 of the NC members are convinced.
>
> Working groups are made up of GA members, including Constituency members.
> So if the process is working as it is supposed to, GA members should have
> input into the consensus process.  To the degree that a working group
> establishes (documents) whether or not a consensus was reached, the GA would
> have influence through its members.  But the GA is clearly not represented
> on the NC when it makes its evaluation of whether or not consensus was
> attained.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Davis [mailto:bob.davis@netzero.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 9:51 PM
> To: Roeland Meyer
> Cc: 'Gomes, Chuck'; 'Kent Crispin'; ga@dnso.org
> Subject: Re: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General Assembly call to
> c hange seating rule)
>
> Mr. Meyer and everyone,
>
>   No I don't believe he is.  Mr. Gomes, I believe this question is
> directed at you.  Could you please publicly answer this question?
>
> Roeland Meyer wrote:
>
> > Are you saying that the GA had any voice in any NC member?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 3:48 PM
> > > To: 'Roeland Meyer'; 'Kent Crispin'; ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: RE: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General
> > > Assembly call to
> > > c hange seating rule)
> > >
> > >
> > > Roeland,
> > >
> > > As Kent already pointed out, NC members are elected by the
> > > constituencies.
> > > They are definitely not appointed by the board.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 12:53 PM
> > > To: 'Kent Crispin'; ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: RE: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General
> > > Assembly call to
> > > c hange seating rule)
> > >
> > >
> > > 1) We don't elect NC members, that much is obvious. We tried
> > > and we failed.
> > > The ICANN BoD appointed whomever they want, regardless of the
> > > wishes of the
> > > GA. That record is clear.
> > >
> > > 2) There is no impeachement mechanism that works. If there
> > > is, show it to
> > > me.
> > >
> > > 3) The NC is an appointed body, not an elected one. The ICANN
> > > BoD is the
> > > sole appointer. GA NC elections are meaningless.
> > >
> > > Kent, you knew all of the above when you posted. You lie.
> > > However, this is
> > > the most egregious lie that I have ever seen you make. You
> > > are usually not
> > > this obvious. Are you feeling well? Or, perhaps you are
> > > feeling too well.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kent Crispin [mailto:kent@songbird.com]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 9:20 AM
> > > > To: ga@dnso.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General
> > > > Assembly call to
> > > > change seating rule)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 10:51:13PM +0800, YJ Park wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Who is going to paly a check and balance role for NC?
> > > >
> > > > The checks and balances on the NC are the standard checks and
> > > > balances on
> > > > *any* elected body -- if you don't like what your
> > > representatives do,
> > > > you don't re-elect them, or, in the worst case, you impeach them.
> > > > That's perfectly normal; there isn't any particular mystery
> > > about the
> > > > NC in this regard.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and you will be
> > > > kent@songbird.com                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain
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