RE: [ga] serious participation in ICANN processes

["Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>]

While the GA is about where the participants are in their understanding of
issues, one can never disregard history, or reality and expect to achieve
effective results, and I know that wasn't your message at all.

Many of the GA  members have different amounts of time engagement and
differential involvements. Let's all continue to respect each other for
that, but remember that we have to also acknowledge what's transpired
before, so we can move forward.

Disregarding one another's perspectives doesn't achieve understanding.
Serious participation means different things to different people... I'm
trying to take all of "us" seriously.

Even when "the we" often disagrees. 

But legal documents, and historial facts are important.  And we should try
to be unemotional about how we look at those...

:-) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Crocker [mailto:dhc2@dcrocker.net]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:08 PM
To: Eric Dierker
Cc: ga@dnso.org
Subject: Re: [ga] serious participation in ICANN processes


At 04:40 PM 4/2/2001, Eric Dierker wrote:
>Dave Crocker wrote:
> > These two items demonstrate the pervasive tendency to debate about
> > theoretical issues that have no factual basis in ICANN legal documents.
> >
> > As people claim to be serious participants, they should consider the
> > responsibility that participation carries, to be adequately educated
about
> > the relevant fact, not theory.
>
>Generally speaking, your two last comments here are not only misguided but
>wrong.  Policy is about theory.

ICANN policy needs to pertain to practise, not abstract theory.


>The only factual basis that comes from  "legal
>documents" (I suppose you mean this as documents which are not illegal)

This suggests that you are not aware of the difference between legal 
documents and other types of documents, which carry no contractual, or the 
like, force.


>is the fact that the document exists.  A document does not create a fact.

Congratulations.  You've now stepped off into lands beyond comprehension.

Whatever it is you are trying to say and however it might be relevant to 
ICANN, the meaning escapes.


>As people claim to be serious participants, they should be made aware that
>just because an oldtimer says something does not make it so.  The GA needs
to
>be more interested in what interested participants have to say and less on
>historical facts which impede progress.  The GA is not to be dominated by,
>technocrats, bureaucrats, businessmen, lawyers or lobbyists.  It is a
General
>Assembly not any particular groups Assembly.

Well, I do thank you for making it clear that you view the ICANN 
environment as a sandbox for children, rather than as a serious forum for 
community pursuit of practical matters.

Thank you for playing.

d/


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Dave Crocker   <mailto:dcrocker@brandenburg.com>
Brandenburg InternetWorking   <http://www.brandenburg.com>
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