Re: [ga] Appeal

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Roberto and all remaining assembly members,

  I think that revoking Dave Crockers suspension is a wise and
prudent decision.  Well done.   On the other hand, I also find it
unfair in the light that Dave has been far more insulting and abusive
than I have, and yet I am banned.  This seems to grossly unfair,
Roberto....

Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I have received several requests for reconsideration of the sanction against
> Dave Crocker.
>
> It is indeed a difficult decision, and I am aware that in any case it will
> make somebody unhappy (and most probably nobody happy). But that's life.
>
> I would like first to provide some motivation to my decision: those who
> prefer to "jump to the conclusions" are welcome to <PgDn> to the end of the
> message.
>
> For the others, I would list qhat are, IMHO, the points against and in
> favour of Dave.
>
> Against:
> - the sanctioned post was just the straw that broke the camel's back, some
> complaints have been received also on previous posts
> - Dave is one of the most experienced and long time personalities in this
> debate. I know this will sound "old-fashioned" (that's how I probably am, so
> I can't help), but I would expect him (as others, on either side of this
> year-long debate) to be an example of behaviour for newcomers rather than
> somebody that actively contributes to the disruption of this list
>
> For:
> - as correctly guessed by a distinguished individual asking for
> reconsideration, there has been no warning, and no attempt to privately
> contact Dave to cool off - not from my part, at least
> - the post came after a series of attacks to him and to Kent Crispin, that
> were indeed sometimes heavier and more off-limits than the post that
> originated the sanction
> - in a private message, Dave stated that he did not intend to be offensive
> with the post, that he thought about it as a funny but not offensive thing
> to say, and that he apologized
>
> My personal opinion, as said above, is that the post in itself would not
> justify the exclusion from the list, but that the continuous "approaching"
> and sometimes "crossing the border line" (not just by Dave, though) needed
> an intervention by the List Monitor.
>
> All considered, I decide that the suspension of posting right of Dave
> Crocker shall be revoked.
> I would appreciate Dave sending to the list the apologies he announced me
> privately, as he did not have the intention to offend.
> This decision is not a critique of the sanction applied by the List Monitor:
> it is highly dependent from my personal interpretation of the low offensive
> potential of the comment made, and on the intention of Dave to explain this
> to the list, which is a new element that the List Monitor did not know at
> time of decision.
> I would also appreciate if this incident could sound as a warning to all
> those who find necessary to use personal attacks to make the point.
> Maybe some of the rules should be revised. Maybe the new Chair, AltChair,
> List Monitors, will treat the matter better, or at least in a way that will
> raise less concerns to the Assembly: for the time being I shall note that
> the major problem this Assembly had when myself and Harald took office was
> the disruption and the low signal-to-noise ratio.
> I do believe that we managed to bring these items to a more acceptable
> level, and this is the main reason why we did gain also the confidence of
> the NC and some recognition. It is sad that now, in this period of
> uncertainity before a new leadership will take over, the ghosts of the past
> try to poison the air again.
>
> I wish that the participants to the General Assembly of the DNSO could find
> again the way to positively interact to produce something that is meaningful
> for the Internet Community, and that everybody will think twice before
> firing off useless personal attacks, and will give the correct value to the
> personal attacks he/she receives: zero!
>
> Best regards, and good night for today: this is my fifth and last.
> Roberto
>
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