Re: [ga] I want to be on the Inclusivbe Name Space SIG ML

["JandL" <jandl@jandl.com>]

I have been off-line for two days due a cable cut in this area 
(Verizon).  I have been going through the 475 messages I just 
received and found the strings very interesting, especially the 
inference of misleading information on websites.  

I would like to know how "This is a NON-ICANN TLD" is misleading.  
There are also instructions detailing how a user can see the rest of 
the internet.  

I can also tell you that out of the hundreds of messages and phone 
calls I field daily that I have yet to find a user who is confused 
about this issue.  The only confusion I find is the assumption or fear 
that ICANN will "take" domain names from those who have 
registered them once ICANN loads the duplicate .BIZ.

The argument for the FTC is quite simple.  It is no more confusing 
than the introduction of any service for which one is unfamiliar.  
The really simple fact is there is no difference between .com and 
.here in terms of functionality.  The only difference is how to "see" 
them.  The confusion will come when there are two of any TLD and 
users will have no idea which one they see or where their mail will 
go.  

It is NOT the inclusive name space TLDs or roots that will cause this 
confusion.  It will be ICANN and DoC if they introduce the duplicates.

It is not a marketing issue, Derek.  It is a technical one.  To say 
that a business with a small market share cannot grow to have a 
large market share and therefore has no right to exist would 
eliminate any reason or possibility for any startup in a free market.  
That is patently ridiculous, counter to the founding of the US and 
against the US constitution.

I cannot speak for other TLD holders, but I can say that ARNI has 
not mislead registrants and has gone well beyond any reasonable 
efforts to ensure that registrants have complete knowledge of what 
we're all about.  If I am questioned wrt to our operation, I am 
completely open about it.  There is nothing clandestine about 
registering a dotBIZ domain.  You register it, it works and to access 
it on the web, you need to point your PC to the appropriate 
servers.  No big deal.

I have written you off list wrt to the simple bottom line.  There will 
be a chaotic situation if DoC enters a duplicate into the USG root.  
That is a given.  The misinformation is coming from ICANN and not 
ARNI.  It is a FUD campaign.  Hopefully, our uneduated elected 
members will find out prior to making any huge mistakes like they did 
with the ACPA, but we can only hope.  This mistake could have 
much wider repercussions and market share has little to do with it.  
You see, a collison is a collison whether it's between 4000 or 4 
million.  When mail meant for a subsidiary of a large company goes 
to the duplicate small company or vice versa, it is mail going to the 
wrong recipient, isn't it?  How would you like your bank information 
sent to the wrong recipient because an ISP is pointing to particular 
servers?  Worse, how about your medical records?  Want to 
guarantee that every medical professional is dialed up to an ISP 
pointing to the DoC root?  I can tell you right now that it is not the 
case.

I will say it again.  If there is no duplicate in the USG root, then the 
mail will either go to the correct recipient or bounce.  If there is a 
duplicate, there is no telling where it will go because it will depend 
on whose servers one points to either individually or via ISP 
connectivity.  I can also tell you that assuming less than one 
percent is way off, especially outside the US.  It is climbing 
geometrically and indications are that it exceeds 5% without 
new.net.  That's more than a 500 percent increase in less than 2 
years with most of the increase in the last year.  The most common 
comments I receive are "gosh, this has opened a whole new world 
for me. I didn't know this existed until recently."  

As more of the public becomes informed, the number of users 
choosing to point to the inclusive name space will increase 
accordingly.  We are still seeing the infancy of the evolution of the 
Internet.

Leah

> Domain Name System General Assembly (DNSGA)
> http://www.dnsga.org
> 
> The DNSGA is involved in an active approach of which the DNSO and GA
> cannot pursue because of their conflicts and association with ICANN.
> 
> The DNSGA replied yesterday to Leah representing the AtlanticRoot
> Network, Inc. as follows:
> 
> You are raising very interesting points concerning the alternative
> root community.
> 
> However, the DNSGA was focusing on the matter of alternative root
> Registrars advertising practices and their claims that describe
> alternative root domain names to be the same as .com domain names.
> Clearly there is a difference in that .com domain names cannot access
> alternative root domain names unless a workstation computer or ISP is
> pointing to the alternative root. This appears confusing to the
> average consumer who registers a domain name. The average consumer
> understands .com, but does not understand the alternative root
> domains.
> 
> The matter the DNSGA was focusing on in its comment is the United
> States Federal Trade Commission (FTC) jurisdiction over advertising
> practices and consumer protection. It appears that the FTC can claim
> that the average consumer understands .com, but not the alternative
> root domains. This is all the FTC needs to engage businesses claiming
> that alternative root domain names are the same as .com domain names.
> The FTC can claim that alternative root domain names are not
> equivalent to .com domain names. The FTC is a powerful agency with
> broad jurisdiction. The FTC could prevent U.S. businesses from selling
> alternative root domain names to consumers.
> 
> It is important for organizations like yours to participate in
> explaining your opinion regarding how the alternative root community
> will be compatible with the .com root system.
> 
> So, the issue right now are the representation made to consumers
> regarding alternative root domain names vs. the .com domain names.
> Arguments concerning other uses of alternative root communities may
> come later.
> 
> If organizations like yours, and interested parties, do not
> participate in forums now to explain the compatibility issues and
> develop solutions that can be communicated to government, ICANN may be
> successful at convincing the United States Department of Commerce
> ("DoC") and international Government Advisory Committee ("GAC")
> representatives that ICANN policies and agreements must be accepted or
> else alternative roots will create chaos and fracture the Internet.
> This could be enough to convince World governments to consolidate
> against the alternative root community.
> 
> Alternative root community representatives should immediately
> participate in explaining their position to the industry. The DNSGA is
> a vehicle that can effectively communicate to the United States
> Government ("USG") the significant arguments concerning the
> alternative root community.
> 
> The DNSGA is scheduled to file a legal action with the DoC May 2001.
> The DNSGA will address alternative root issues and other matters and
> we invite you to participate in submitting your comments or opinion
> regarding the alternative root community so that we can better
> understand this matter and the compatibility issues and develop
> solutions.
> 
> Derek Conant
> DNSGA President and Chairman
> 
> PacificRoot Hostmaster wrote:
> 
> > Geez!
> >
> > Well, everyone knows that I really do refrain from paying any
> > attention to your payrolled nonsense,  but I'm going to clarify
> > something for you Dave, so read very, very, carefully ok?
> >
> > On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Dave Crocker wrote:
> >
> > > There is no "inclusive" namespace.
> >
> > Then you are blind.
> >
> > >
> > > What you are suggesting is that folks who have been independently
> > > running their own namespace should be given power to restrict
> > > ICANN's namespace.
> > >
> >
> > It's not ICANN's namespace. It's mine. And it's every other
> > commercial provider's and subscriber's. We built it. We OWN it.
> >
> > > That's not an "inclusive" namespace, it is restrictive, by virtue
> > > of restricting ICANN's choices over the namespace for which it has
> > responsibility.
> >
> > ICANN is a pretender.
> >
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