[ga] Re: ]PRIVATE] Language Diversity in ICANN working practices

[Pilar Luque <Pilar.Luque@nic.es>]

Dear Patrick et all,

Thank you for you support.

Here I paste the response from the I.T.U and th U.N. Simultaneous
Interpreting and Translation Departments on costs and organisational
needs, the responses I gathered on ICANN/Internet specialised jargon and
Mr Cerf's last communication with me.

ANY COMMENTS???????

Thank you all for your support and see you all in Copenhaguen where I am
expecting to do a paper on Language Diversity on ICANN working
procedures if Mr Vint Cerf gives me the green light!!

Regards,

Pilar
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Dear Ms Luque,

On behalf of Ms Laugesen, here are some explanations concerning
interpretation.
Interpreters are recruited on the following basis (for interpreters
recruted
by an international organisation having signed the CCAQ/AICC agreement):
2 interpreters/booth E/F/S/R and 3 interpreters /booth C/A
(E.english, F:french, S:spanish, R:russian, C:chinese, A:arabic)
2 sessions per day, 3 hours each, with an interruption of 2hours/one
hour
and half between each session.

Meeting in Geneva
Locally recruted local interpreters: 2 days-6 languages (2E, 2F, 2S, 2R,
3C,
3A)=14 interpreters
Salary Swiss Francs 615/day           615x14x2= 17220 Swiss francs

Meeting in the world
Locally recruted interpreters
2 days, 6 languages =14 interpreters
Salary US$: 352.50/day                 352.50x14x2= 9870 US$
Non local interpreters 2 days, 6 languages, 14 interpreters
Salary US$ 352.50/day  plus the days of travel, plus perdiem, plus
travel

Meeting in the Americas Region
Salary 391.50/day (plus travel, etcc...as above)

Note: for sessions lasting about 4 hours, you could add one more
interpreter
per booth.
For long sessions, you can pay the rate "small shift", meaning a
supplement
of 60% of the base salary.
For any further detail, do not hesitate to get in touch with ms
Jouffroy,
interpreters Service, 

e-mail adress: jacqueline,jouffroy@itu.int

AS far as translation is concerned, free-lance translators are recruited
on
a different basis. The number of translators required depends of course
on
the number of pages expected (the average performance expected is 5-6
pages
of 330 words a day, but it is more during meetings). The salaries depend
on
the level (grade) of the translator or revisor. For meetings abroad, you
have to add to the base salary the days of travel, perdiem, travel, as
for
the interpreters.
To have a better idea of the salary scale, you can refer to the AITC
(international association of conference translators)web site at the
following adress:http://www.aitc.ch/index.html
E-mail adress of the AITC : secretariat@aitc.ch
Hoping that these informations will be helpful to you, best regards.
Claude Briand
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Dear Hanne,

Thank you very much for replying so fast.

The purpose of my paper is to demonstrate that Language Diverity on the
form of written translations (for documments published for public
comment) and simultaneous interpreting sessions (for public meetings) is
needed for an organisation with such a global scope as ICANN.

The content of the paper will be demonstrating the above point and
showing which exact costs and organizational needs such motion would
entail.


In order for you to understand better ICANN Language Diversity needs I
will explain that ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers) meets 4 times a year, each in a different geographic area of
the world for 2 days, lasting the first day from 08:00 a.m till 18:00(
the Public Forum meeting) and the second day from 08:00 till 15:00 p.m.
(Board meeting).  Around those dates we have other meetings, but only
those two are the official dates and those are the ones I am looking for
Simultaneous Interpreting sessions from Chinese,Arabic, Spanish, French
and Russian  ( as you told me the 5 U.N. official languages) into
English and vice versa.  I would like ICANN to rely on Interpreters
fully trained by them on their jargon, as it is quite specialised.



I hope that with the information given above you can give me some more
precise information on costs and organisational needs.



One or two weeks prior to each of the 4 meetings they publish (only in
English) on their web site the documents to be discussed during the
meetings. I know written translation is another department quite
different from the Simultaneous Interpreting one.  I would like to see
those documents, normally 4 of 5 pages long each, as well translated
from English into Chinese,Arabic, Spanish, French and Russian.  Could
you direct me towards somebody in the I.T.U. Transalting Services who
could
give me information on cost and organisation?



Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards,


Pilar LUQUE (External Relations Officer .es ccTLD)

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FWIW, here are the results to the following previous post:
<--------------- start post ---------------->
Kudos to the first person that knows all the below listed (and recently
used
on this list) acronyms:

NADF
SEI
LASC
NGO
RTFA
APA
RSN
YMMV
RIR
IM(nl)HO  <---just the "nl" part)
CNPB
MHSC
STV
<--------------- end post ---------------->
I only got two responses...there was agreement on the following 9
acronyms:

NADF -- North American Directory Forum
SEI -- Software Engineering Institute
NGO -- Non-Government Organisation
RTFA -- Read The Freaking Article
APA -- Administrative Procedures Act
YMMV -- Your Mileage May Vary
RIR -- Regional Internet Registry
MHSC -- Morgan Hill Software Company
STV -- Single Transferable Vote

and the following 4 acronyms had two different answers or guesses:

LASC -- Lisp and Symbolic Computation and Los Angeles   ????????
RSN -- Real Soon Now and Root Server Network
IM(nl)HO -- In My (nl) Humble Opinion and In My No Longer Humble Opinion
??
CNPB -- CardeoNeuroPulmonaryBypass and California Nonprofit Public
Benefit
Corporation Law ("CNPBCL")

So, sorry!  No kudos this time around.  BTW, I don't know the answers
myself, just wanted to see if anyone else did.  And, judging from the
low
level of responses recieved (only two) and that neither knew them all,
perhaps people posting to this list would be a bit more considerate in
their
use of acronyms.  They are definitely a "barrier to entry" for newbies.
Anyway, just one person's (with too much time on his hands) opinion.

Regards,

Jeff
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Patrick Corliss wrote:
> 
> Hi Pilar
> 
> This might help a little.  There is also an "Acronym Finder".

Also some glossaries:

http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1208.txt
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1983.txt
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2828.txt

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Hi Pilar

This might help a little.  There is also an "Acronym Finder".
Please could anyone advise any errors or omissions.

ACIR    Advanced Computational Infrastructure and Research
Division of Computer & Information Science & Engineering (see CISE)
http://www.cise.nsf.gov/acir/
http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/publicat/nsf0065/cise/acir.htm

ACM    Association for Computing Machinery
http://www.acm.org/

ACPA    Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act
http://209.41.60.248/law/ACPA.html
http://www.gcwf.com/articles/journal/jil_march00_1.html

AF    Acronym Finder
http://www.acronymfinder.com/

ADNS    AGN Domain Name Service, Inc.
http://www.adns.net/

AfterNIC    Domain Name Auctions, Research and Management
http://www.afternic.com/

ALTNIC    AlterNIC -- The Network Information Centre
http://www.alternic.org/

ANIR    Advanced Networking Infrastructure and Research
Division of Computer & Information Science & Engineering (see CISE)
http://www.cise.nsf.gov/anir/index.html
http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/publicat/nsf0065/cise/anir.htm

APNIC    Asia Pacific Network Information Centre
(Regional Registry)
http://www.apnic.net/

APTLD    Asia Pacific Top Level Domain Forum
http://www.apng.org/apcctld/

ARIN    American Registry for Internet Numbers
(Regional Registry)
http://www.arin.net/

ARPA    Advanced Research Project Agency
http://www.dei.isep.ipp.pt/docs/arpa.html

ASO    The Address Supporting Organization
http://www.aso.icann.org/

ASP    Application Service Providers Industry Consortium
http://www.aspindustry.org/
http://www.allaboutasp.org/

Atlantic    The Atlantic Root Network, Inc.
http://www.biztld.net/

auDA    Australian Domain Administration
http://www.auda.org.au/

AUNIC    Australian Network Information Centre
http://www.aunic.net/

AURSC    Australian Root Server Confederation
http://www.irsc.ah.net/

BBN    BBN Planel (Now BBN Technologies)
http://www.bbn.com/
http://www.gte.com/AboutGTE/gto/bbnt/aboutus.html

Berkman    Berkman Center for Internet & Society (of Harvard Law School)
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/

BIND    Berkeley Internet Name Domain (or Daemon)
http://www.nominum.com/    http://www.isc.org/

BIZ    dot BIZ  (see also Atlantic Root Network, Inc.)
http://www.biztld.net/

CCR    Computer-Communications Research
Division of Computer & Information Science & Engineering (see CISE)
http://www.cise.nsf.gov/ccr/index.html
http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/news/publicat/nsf0065/cise/ccr.htm

CDT    Centre for Democracy & Technology
http://www.cdt.org/

CERT    Carnegie Mellon - CERT Co-ordination Center
http://www.cert.org/

CIPO    Canadian Intellectual Property Office
http://cipo.gc.ca/

CIRA    Canadian Internet Registration Authority
http://www.cira.ca/

CISE    Directorate for Computer & Information Science & Engineering
Directorate of the National Science Foundation (see NSF)
http://www.cise.nsf.gov/

CNRI    Corporation for National Research Initiatives
http://www.cnri.reston.va.us/

CORENIC    CORE -- Internet Council of Registrars
http://corenic.org/

CPSR    Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility
http://www.cpsr.org/

CSIF    Civil Society Internet Forum
http://www.civilsocietyinternetforum.org/

DARPA    Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
http://www.arpa.mil/

DNH    The Domain Name Handbook
http://www.domainhandbook.com/

DNSO    Domain Name Supporting Organization
http://www.dnso.org/
http://www.dnso.icann.org/

DNSR    DNS Root
http://www.dns-root.org/

DNSRD    Domain Name System Resources Directory
http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/

DOC    United States Department of Commerce
http://www.doc.gov/

EFF    Electronic Frontier Foundation
http://www.eff.org/

EPIC    Electronic Privacy Information Center
http://epic.org/

FCC    United States Federal Communications Commission
http://www.fcc.gov/

GAO    United States General Accounting Office - ICANN Report
http://www.gao.gov/docdblite/summary.php?accno=163837&rptno=OGC-00-33R
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/og00033r.pdf  (PDF Format)

GAC    Governmental Advisory Committee of ICANN
http://www.noie.gov.au/projects/international/DNS/gac/index.htm

GOD    dot GOD
http://www.dot-god.com/

gTLD-MoU    Generic Top Level Domain Memorandum of Understanding
http://www.gtld-mou.org/

HIT    Hobbes' Internet Timeline
http://www.isoc.org/guest/zakon/Internet/History/HIT.html

IAB    Internet Architecture Board
http://www.iab.org/

IAHC    Internet International Ad Hoc Committee
http://www.iahc.org/index.html

IANA    Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
http://www.iana.org/

ICANN    The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
http://www.icann.org/

ICB    ICB Toll Free News
http://www.icbtollfreenews.com/

IDNO    The Individual Domain Name Owners Constituency
http://www.idno.org/

iDNS    Internationalized Domain Name System
http://www.i-dns.net/

IETF    The Internet Engineering Task Force
http://www.ietf.org/

ILPF    Internet Law and Policy Forum
http://www.ilpf.org/

INTA    The International Trademark Association
http://www.inta.org/

InterNIC    Internet Network Information Center
http://www.internic.net/

INWW    Internet Names Wordwide (Division of Melbourne IT)
http://www.inww.com/

IOD    Image Online Design, Inc.
https://www.webtld.com/

IOPS    Internet Operators
http://www.iops.org/

IPC    The Intellectual Property Constituency
http://ipc.songbird.com/

IPI    Internet Policy Institute
http://www.internetpolicy.org/

IRSC    International Root Server Confederation
http://www.irsc.ah.net/

IRTF    Internet Research Task Force
http://www.irtf.org/

ISC    Internet Software Consortium
http://www.isc.org/

ISI    USC Information Sciences Institute
http://www.isi.edu/

ISOC    Internet Society
http://www.isoc.org/
http://www.isoc.org/internet-history/brief.html

ISOC-AU    Internet Society of Australia
http://www.isoc-au.org.au/

ISS    Internet Security Systems
http://www.iss.net/

ITAA    Information Technology Association of America
http://www.itaa.org/

ITU    International Telecommunications Union
http://www.itu.int/

MIT    Melbourne IT
http://www.melbourneit.com.au/

NANOG    North American Network Operators
http://www.ra.net/~nanog

NARSC    North American Root Server Confederation
http://narsc.lists.kz/

NCDHNC    Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders Constituency
http://www.ncdnhc.org/

NCSA    National Center for Supercomputing Applications
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/

NICUS    Official United States Domain Registry
http://www.nic.us/

NOIE    Australian National Office for the Information Economy
http://www.noie.gov.au/

NS    Name Space
http://name-space.com/

NSF    National Science Foundation
http://www.nsf.gov/

NSI    Network Solutions
http://networksolutions.com/

NTIA    National Telecommunications and Information Administration
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/

OpenNIC    Open Network Information Centre
http://www.opennic.unrated.net/

ORSC    Open Root Server Confederation, Inc
http://www.open-rsc.org/

OpenSRS    Open Shared Registration Service
http://www.opensrs.com/

OpenXRS    Open Extensible Registry System
http://openxrs.tucows.com/

PACROOT    The Pacific Root
http://www.pacroot.com/

PCCF    Planet Communications & Computing Facility
http://www.pccf.net/
http://www.pccf.net/cgi-bin/root-servers/whereis-tld?+

PGP    PGP ("Pretty Good Privacy") Security
http://www.pgp.com/

PSO    Protocol Supporting Organization
http://www.pso.icann.org/

RFC    Request for Comments
http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html
http://www.rfc-editor.org/

RIPE    RIPE (Réseaux IP Européens) Network Coordination Centre
(Regional Registry)
http://www.ripe.net/

SAIC    Science Applications International Corporation
http://www.saic.com/

SEI    Carnegie Mellon - Software Engineering Institute
http://www.sei.cmu.edu/

SEC    United States Securities and Exchange Commission
http://www.sec.gov/

SRI    SRI International (was Stanford Research Institute)
http://www.csl.sri.com/
http://www.csl.sri.com/history/augment.shtml

SuperRoot    The SuperRoot Consortium
http://www.superroot.org/

TBTF    Tasty Bits from the Technology Front ("Roving Reporter")
http://www.tbtf.com/roving_reporter/

TINC    The Internet Namespace Cooperative
http://www.tinc-org.com/

TLD Finder    Top Level Domain Finder (see PCCF)
http://www.pccf.net/cgi-bin/root-servers/whereis-tld?+

UDRP    Uniform Domain-Name Dispute Resolution Policy
http://www.icann.org/udrp/udrp.htm

USPTO    United States Patent and Trademark Office
http://www.uspto.gov/

VeriSign    VeriSign, Inc.
http://www.verisign.com/

WEB    dot WEB
https://www.webtld.com/

WIPO    World Intellectual Property Organization
http://www.wipo.org/

W3C    World Wide Web Consortium
http://www.w3.org/


Thank you.
Patrick Corliss

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Dear Pilar,

this is very helpful information. With your permission,
I would like to share this directly with the ICANN
staff. I know they have also looked into this question
but your data is new. One obvious challenge is that we
would need to find meeting venues in which simultaneous
translation can be arranged (physical facilities).
also, wouldn't there be a cost for the radio-based
multi-channel ear phones used by the attendees?

Before you put effort into a lengthy paper, perhaps
we also need to determine which languages should be
serviced. Could we possibly manage simply with 
English to (some number of languages) and the
same languages to English (as opposed to every
possible combination)?

Vint

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Hi Pilar

> Could I suggest you all you help me in drafting a list with those so
> called 300 ICANN/Internet specialised jargon terms.

May I suggest that you post whatever you have on your proposed list to
[GA]
as it will get people interested?  If you know some of the terms just
enter
them leaving the ander blank.  The people might provide the definition
or
other answer.

I'd try to make it a communal effort, if I were you.  I will support
you.

Best regards
Patrick
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