Re: [ga] Austerity measures

["Erica Roberts" <erica.roberts@bigpond.com>]

Without knowing the details on this, I imagine much of the time was spent in
clarifying with the GA officials the list requirements, rules, etc.

erica
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales" <vany@sdnp.org.pa>
To: <ga@dnso.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:04 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] Austerity measures


> Hi Michael:
>
> I am agree with you.  I cannot believe the figures shown by Elizabeth.
> I also administrate Linux server with several services including mailing
> lists and to me only takes 5 minutes to one mailing list and maybe two
> hours per week for maintenance but not two hourse per day.  It is
> exagerate.
>
> Best Regards
> Vany
>
>
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2001, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry, but I simply cannot imagine how it can take this much time to
> > maintain a list.  We have dozens here at the law school, and they don't
> > take anything close to that amount of time.
> >
> > On Tue, 15 May 2001, Alexander Svensson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Roberto Gaetano wrote on 14.05.01, 21:11:26:
> > > > I would second Roeland's comment below:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>I share the incredulity... the answer is ... not much. Especially
> > > >>considering that the ga-full is not moderated. It was the compromise
that
> > > >>enabled moderation on the GA list.
> > > >
> > > > I think that the NC should reconsider the matter, because closing
down the
> > > > GA-full will definitively destabilize the compromise achieved one
year ago.
> > > > The idea to restart from scratch the whole discussion about
monitoring and
> > > > censorship, right now that we seem to start making some progress, is
> > > > frightening.
> > >
> > > I have listened to the Names Council teleconference
> > > meeting (thanks, Bret!), and it turns out that,
> > > according to the Secretariat, the setup time for
> > > the five new GA sublists was about *twenty* hours of
> > > secretariat work, the typical maintenance costs are about
> > > *two* hours per day (Philip Sheppard referring to figures by
> > > Elisabeth Porteneuve, DNSO Secretariat; unfortunately it
> > > is very much at the end of the 14 MB audio file Bret Fausett
> > > recorded).
> > >   http://www.lextext.com/nc05092001.html
> > >
> > > If you listen to the NC discussion of the issue, you
> > > will probably /not/ get the impression that this is a ploy
> > > to silence the uncomfortable voices or something alike
> > > [just to make sure: I'm obviously not addressing Roberto
> > > here!]. Philip Sheppard: "As I understand, for reasons of
> > > history, there are two main GA lists, one of which was
> > > designed to be entirely open, the other one was moderated.
> > > The one [list] that is moderated is the one that is used
> > > by hundreds, and the one that's entirely open tends to
> > > be used as a duplicate list and has a current subscription
> > > of about ten; and I was wondering if it was not time, in
> > > terms of being pragmatic, to suggest the closure of that
> > > list in light of these new five, which would save a
> > > little bit of administrative time." The other NC members
> > > agreed.
> > >
> > > This said, I agree with Roberto that the GA-full list should
> > > be continued nonetheless. I would assume that any tasks
> > > connected with archiving and dealing with subscriptions
> > > are much more time-consuming for all the other lists. The
> > > GA-full has very few subscribers and, as Roberto mentions,
> > > the fact that it is unmoderated should make the administration
> > > even easier. There is little to be gained moneywise,
> > > but there is a real risk of returning to an earlier point and
> > > state of discussion which we had hoped to have gotten past.
> > >
> > > I ask Philip and the other NC members to reconsider this step,
> > > especially as it is indeed the /moderation/ which requires
> > > extra work:
> > >   http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc05/msg00301.html
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > /// Alexander
> > >
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