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Re: [ga] why not a consensus about sub-lists?
Jefsey and all assembly members,
Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> Jeff and Patrick,
> I respond publicly to this mail received on public list.
>
> I think it quite positive. It shows three different attitudes
> which might be aggregated into a consensus over sub-lists.
>
> Could we agree on this and turn it listetiquette?
>
> 1. DNSO/GA list is the only one people should be on.
I am not sure what you mean here? Can you clarify a bit?
>
> 2. sub-lists are for collateral work or education
Yes, but debate and discussion needs to be conducted on the
sub-lists...
>
> 3. they are subject to their own rules by their moderator:
Ok, but no rule should be permitted to limit discussion, debate,
or cause the suspension of any participant.
>
> they are listed by GA on a page linked to dnso.org
Yes.
>
> 4. they are GA "a parte". they can be freely copied to GA
Yes, agreed.
>
> 5. anyone can freely join/remove himself from any sub-list
Yes, agree here too. However this seems to be counter to your
#1 suggestion... ????
>
> 6. all the sub-list posts are copied to GA-FULL
Yes. And any responses to the ga-Full from these sublists
can be "CC'ed" to the sublist as well as the GA-Full
>
> 7. to keep threads in sub-lists ReplyTo is set to sub-list
Ok this is fine...
>
> 8. creating and moderating a sub-list needs only 4 seconds
> 9. no restriction on the debate as long as on topic,
> 10. existing sub-lists are used for mutual education.
> No debate allowed.
Hummmm? This seems to be counter to your #9... ????
> People ask questions to get an
> answer (technical, historical, about someone position,
> etc...) how controversial may be the response it is
> accepted as educational only, no reply permitted.
Again, if you mean to the answer provided to a question posted
or ask on the sublist, than I agree, unless there is evidence to the
contrary.
>
>
> I note that it only calls for one line to be added by Secretariat
> to DNSO.ORG and for someone to maintain an excel table.
> I am ready to do it.
>
> Example: ga-rules:
>
> - every participant may be asked his position. The archive
> makes a good FAQ for reference
Do you mean working position or a position on a particular issue?
Please clarify...
>
> - then several working sub-lists may handle the different
> propositions as Good Practice, Sub-List rules Template,
> Moderators, Posting limits. Once the issue is OK it is
> reported to the GA and the sub-list is closed.
No posting limits...
>
> - if a sub-list becomes sleepy it is up to its Moderator to
> report to the GA and attract comments.
> - if someone wants to be aware of everything on an ML:
> it get to GA-FULL.
Good suggestion here! >;)
>
>
> May be should we change for better support to a more
> easily managed system, or may be WXW would know
> how to set-it up. But IMHO knowing what we want would
> help us to survive in the meanwhile (sub-lists could be
> temporarily replaced by "[theme]title" subjects).
Setting this up is child's play really. I could do it in about
2 hours...
> The
> most urgent would be to have a consensus on mutual
> education sub-list sanctuaries.
>
> My 2 cents. I will not come back on that.
>
> Jefsey
>
> >1.) that not sublist currently or in the future is restricted by the
> > illegitimate GA list rules.
> >
> >2.) That ANY subscriber to ANY sublist can carry forward or CC
> > to the DNSO GA list relevant posts they feel is or many be of
> > specific interests to the remainder of the DNSO GA.
> >
> >3.) That ANY an ALL Sublists are open to ANY and ALL interested
> > parties without exception.
> >
> >4.) that debate and discussion is open and transparent without
> >restriction as
> > long as it is on topic.
>
> At 11:06 10/07/01, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >Patrick and Jefsey,
> >
> >Patrick Corliss wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jefsey
> > >
> > > > > That's your personal opinion.
> > > >
> > > > No, I share in his opinion on this issue...
> > > >
> > > > > But it has no legitimacy with the DNSO
> > > > > Secretariat or within the GA generally. You can change that by
> > > generating
> > > > > support for your ideas.
> > > >
> > > > He has mine on this issue...
> > >
> > > You're the one that said it wasn't legitimate, remember?
> >
> > I did not say this Patrick. I said that the current GA list rules
> >are not legitimate. I hope you are not straight on this?
> >
> > >
> > > Please decide if you want the sublists YES or NO.
> >
> > Yes. I see the sub lists as a good idea with a few caveats. They
> >are as follows:
> >
> >1.) that not sublist currently or in the future is restricted by the
> > illegitimate GA list rules.
> >
> >2.) That ANY subscriber to ANY sublist can carry forward or CC
> > to the DNSO GA list relevant posts they feel is or many be of
> > specific interests to the remainder of the DNSO GA.
> >
> >3.) That ANY an ALL Sublists are open to ANY and ALL interested
> > parties without exception.
> >
> >4.) that debate and discussion is open and transparent without
> >restriction as
> > long as it is on topic.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Then say so.
> >
> > I have several times and just did so again.
> >
> >Regards,
> >--
> >Jeffrey A. Williams
> >Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 118k members strong!)
> >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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> >Contact Number: 972-447-1800 x1894 or 214-244-4827
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> >
> >
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Regards,
--
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