Re: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses and Election timing.

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Peter and all assembly members,

  First off, as a pilot myself, I wouldn't EVER ride on any of the airlines
you listed below!  :(  Secondly, I agree with you that getting the travel
money as well as other expenses and even some pocket money for
the montevideo meeting isn't all that difficult.

Peter de Blanc wrote:

> A search on www.orbitz.com , which is the "all-airline" co-op web fare
> search engine, shows US $ 724.00 from paris to montivideo, via madrid.
>
> There is a fare of $ 871 from new york to montevideo.
>
> The holiday inn next to the conference hotel has rooms under $ 80.00
>
> Add meals, airport transfer, you are looking at less that $ 2,000.
>
> Again, I'll gladly match $ 100 of donation to candidates that can not
> afford to come.
>
> Find 19 people who believe in a candidate  well enough to provide $
> 100.00, and the candidate is there!
>
> Now as to your comment "Either all candidates should be provided travel
> and
> hotel, or none, IMO.", well, several candidates are already coming, and
> presumably have managed to pay for their travel. So only a few
> candidates remain. Why should I, or ICANN donate travel money to someone
> who already has a (paid) ticket? I would rather donate MY money to those
> who need it! And I am willing to do so!
>
> Peter de Blanc
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> $724
>
>    Air France 2200
>   Tue, Sep 4
>  8:00p-10:05p
> plane change
>    Paris, France (CDG)   Madrid, Spain (MAD) 2
>
>   Iberia 6841
>   Tue, Sep 4
>  11:40p-6:55a
> plane change
>    Madrid, Spain (MAD)   Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE)
>
>   Aerolineas Argentinas 1218
>   Wed, Sep 5
>  8:50a-9:30a
>    Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE)   Montevideo, Uruguay (MVD)
>   total duration: 18h 30min
>
>   Iberia 7401
>   operated by partner airline
>   Tue, Sep 11
>  10:05a-10:45a
> plane change
>    Montevideo, Uruguay (MVD)   Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE) 2
>
>   Iberia 6840
>   Tue, Sep 11
>  2:15p-6:45a
> plane change
>    Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE)   Madrid, Spain (MAD)
>
>   Air Europa 1021
>   Wed, Sep 12
>  7:55a-10:05a
>    Madrid, Spain (MAD)   Paris, France (CDG)
>   total duration: 19h 0min
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>  $871
>
>    American Airlines 2111
>   Tue, Sep 4
>  6:11p-9:30p
> plane change
>    New York, NY (JFK)   Miami, FL (MIA) 2
>
>   American Airlines 999
>   Tue, Sep 4
>  11:20p-8:23a
> plane change
>    Miami, FL (MIA)   Sao Paulo, SP (GRU)
>
>   American Airlines 951
>   Wed, Sep 5
>  10:45a-1:25p
>    Sao Paulo, SP (GRU)   Montevideo, Uruguay (MVD)
>   total duration: 18h 14min
>
>   American Airlines 950
>   Tue, Sep 11
>  5:35p-7:55p
> plane change
>    Montevideo, Uruguay (MVD)   Sao Paulo, SP (GRU) 2
>
>   American Airlines 906
>   Tue, Sep 11
>  9:25p-4:27a
> plane change
>    Sao Paulo, SP (GRU)   Miami, FL (MIA)
>
>   American Airlines 518
>   Wed, Sep 12
>  7:25a-10:10a
>    Miami, FL (MIA)   New York, NY (JFK)
>   total duration: 17h 35min
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: L Gallegos [mailto:jandl@jandl.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 3:09 PM
> To: Peter de Blanc
> Subject: RE: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses and
> Election timing.
>
> First, with the time frame involved, it could well be impossible to
> apply for and receive a grant for travel from any source.
>
> Second, $2,500.00 could be a very large hurdle for candidates.
>
> Third, if even one candidate is left out of a f2f due to lack of funds,
> it would create an imbalance and appear to favor those with greater
> financial means.
>
> Fourth, tickets purchased on short notice are much more
> expensive.
>
> F2f is a good idea.  However, it is beyond the means of many of
> thsoe who would like to participate and should not be a barrier to a
> fair election.  Either all candidates should be provided travel and
> hotel, or none, IMO.  Since most business is actually done via the
> lists, perhaps it should continue that way for these elections until
> proper funding can be arranged for all candidates.  Furthermore, if
> all candidates cannot be present in Montevideo, perhaps none of
> them should be presented as a part of the meetings to avoid unfair
> advantage.
>
> In addition, since there are only a few candidates, perhaps ICANN
> could use coach tickets and provide the same for the candidates.
>
> Leah
>
> On 19 Aug 2001, at 22:10, Peter de Blanc wrote:
>
> > That is not a well thought out comment. We are only talking about a
> > small amount of money here, an air ticket and some hotel. Probably
> > about US $ 2,500.00
> >
> > 25 persons paying $ 100 each would cover it.
> >
> > In fact, I would be happy to match your donation of $ 100 each to the
> > candidates who can not afford the ticket.
> >
> > Peter de Blanc
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf Of
> > pheather Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 9:23 PM To: ga@dnso.org
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Funding of ICANN Board candidate travel expenses and
>
> > Election timing.
> >
> >
> > So much for a level playing field for all candidates. Instead, those
> > with the deepest pockets and the richest supporters are given
> > advantage.
> >
> > pheather
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I fully expect any person seeking such assistance to organize
> > their own
> > > financial support, and I am confident that the necessary sources of
> > > funds are out there. It is up to the candidate to identify the
> > > sources
> >
> > > and to ask for the money. Or at least to recruit someone or some
> > > organization who supports that candidate's position and will do the
> > > fund-raising for them.
> > >
> >
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