Re: The ccTLD position (was Re: [ga] taking positions on countryspecific legislation

[Eric Dierker <eric@HI-TEK.COM>]

Mr. Thrush,

I am afraid that this response is disingenuous at best.

Peter Dengate-Thrush wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Eric Dierker" <eric@hi-tek.com>
>
> snip
>
> >We must stand together
> > that there are no deletions to seats to the at large based upon creation
> of any
> > individuals constituency or any new ccTLD constituencies/SOs.
>
> As I have said, the CCTld managers see these as separate events, and you
> would do well to uncouple them in both your mind and your rhetoric.
>

Who cares how they see these matters.  The alleged intention is not at issue.
If they take seats which were heretofore allocated for the At-Large, then they
take AL seats. Note also you are referring to managers of registries not users
or domain name holders.  There is good argument you should simply be in the
Registry constituency.

>
> The At Large seats will stand or fall on the basis of reaction to the ALSC
> report, Mike Roberts paper, the Nais report, and the Board's and other
> people's  perception of the existence and value of a real at Large
> membership and its likely contribution to ICANN narrow scope of management
> of Names and Numbers. The cost of reaching and maintaining this group is a
> further factor.
>

Since when did these matters happen in a finely sectioned off vacuum? Peoples
perception of the existence and value of a ccSO seems to be far more
questionable, especially since it would simply be more registries with seats on
the BoD.

>
> OTOH, the ccSO is a force that has emerged under a true bottom up consensus,
> not only of those directly affected, but also with support from a majority
> of other constituencies.

Users and Domain Name holders have no say, in the ccTLD constituency, in fact
most meetings exclude all but managers.  If you consider that bottoms-up I can
see why you want to prevent AL seats.

>
>
> Allocation of board seats to the ccSO is not the cause of any loss by the
> ALM.
>

Your math fails me.  Your understanding of cause and effect is really just a
failure to take responsibility.

>
> However, if we can manage the process of re-structuring so that these events
> occur simultaneously, and thereby diminish any period of uncertainty or
> confusion, I think you will agree that is desirable. But please don't label
> them as cause and effect.
> >
>

I only see this as occurring upon your accepting responsibility for your
conduct.  If you refuse to accept actions taken by your group have an effect
upon others then we will not have a point of cooperation.

>
> Regards
> Peter Dengate Thrush
> Co-Chair, Montevideo ccTLD Meeting
>
> Senior Vice Chair
> Asia Pacific TLD Association
>

Sincerely,
simple dotcommoner

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