Re: [ga] Re: "political advantage"

[Eric Dierker <eric@HI-TEK.COM>]

I do not know where to begin Mike,

Necessity is the mother of evil.  Don't Tread on Me.  Any group shall be judged
on how they treat their lowest member.  Obedience to the Law is the greatest
freedom.  All democratic Nations are Nations of Law and not Men.

With your stupid logic we should deny the vote in any and all matters to any
suspect culture.  What say we start up Japanese Internment camps?  Fighting
terrorism means increasing inclusiveness wherever we are able.  Mike, leave
vengeance and revenge to the military, thank goodness you are no longer a part of
it, our jobs are to get at the root of hatred which is injustice and if I look
that word up in the Dictionary I see your photo as a human practicing example.
Go back to your spin doctors and figure out a way to retract your
ridiculousness.  Then start over with a good pr firm.

Best of Luck
Eric

Mike Robbers wrote:

> Joanna -
>
> >In case you hadn't noticed,
> >terrorists do not vote, they throw bombs, and they avoid any form of
> democratic process.
>
> Terrorists do vote; they infiltrate democratic institutions and
> processes while they are putting their attack together.  The openness
> of free universities plays into their hands.  Our German colleagues
> have been learning over the weekend about the Islamic fundamentalist
> sect that operated at the Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg and
> sent three of themselves as suicide hijackers to the U.S.
>
> >To try to turn this
> >catastrophic tragedy to political advantage, by citing it as a reason to
> >delay the implementation of democratic control over an autocratic entity,
> suggests that somebody needs a serious reality check, or is sick, or both.
>
> It's simply incredible that someone sitting across the bay from
> Manhattan would have so lost touch with what is happening as to make
> an assertion such as this.  Here are three headlines from this
> morning's New York Times, which can hardly be classed as a xenophobic
> paper:
>
> " Bush Warns of a Wrathful, Shadowy and Inventive War,"
>
> "Lawmakers Hear Ashcroft Outline Antiterror Plans."
>
> " Investigators Explore Boundaries of Everything the Law Allows."
>
> As Americans go back to work, we are not going back to the same
> world.  Our civil liberties are not what we casually thought they
> were a week ago.  Travelers this morning are having their possessions
> searched at airports all over the country down to the last nail file.
> In the next few days, the Congress is going to give new powers to law
> enforcement to invade our personal lives looking for the very few who
> choose to attack us. When I get on the plane next Sunday to go to
> Washington, I will know that the new orders to the Air Force are to
> shoot it down if hijacked.
>
> In the last great challenge to American freedoms in the 50's and
> 60's, I gave three years of my career and my marriage to military
> service.  Today, I am sad for the losses sustained last week in New
> York and all across the country and I am even sadder that another
> young generation of Americans is about to suffer loss of life in
> defending them again.
>
> So if I sound angry and self-righteous about the all-too-frequent
> trash on this list, I am.  This anonymous narcissistic garbage is not
> an exercise of freedom, it is an abuse of freedom.
>
> Life at ICANN isn't going to be the same either.  Given the military
> mindset and anti-terrorist measures in Washington and other capitals,
> there is going to be a much greater stress on operational oversight
> of the DNS, on stability and on synchronization with related Internet
> security steps. There is going to be much less interest in who is
> represented by whom on the Board.
>
> The GA, bastion of rugged individualism, has an opportunity to
> contribute to the solutions to these challenges.  But if you're not
> interested in being part of common solutions and the compromises
> involved in them, and if throwing rocks at me for being the messenger
> of the new reality gives you a bigger thrill, go right ahead and lay
> a claim to irrelevance.
>
> - Mike
>
> At 3:44 -0400 9/17/01, Joanna Lane wrote:
> >http://angua.rince.de/icann-europe/2001/09/msg00004.html
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >*    From: Mike Roberts <mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us>
> >*    Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:23:56 -0700
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >At the time, going on three weeks ago, I had in mind something like
> >US $100 from several thousand individuals who actually were willing
> >to put their money where their mouth was about having a functioning
> >At Large organization.
> >
> >Today, that idea is out the window, along with a lot of other
> >populist notions about any old terrorist around the globe getting to
> >vote on how to run the DNS.
> >
> >When civilization takes a step backward, as it did last week, it
> >usually means a period in which the people with the guns make the
> >decisions.  Anyone watching the American President on tv in recent
> >days knows that's where we're at.  It may be a while before the
> >luxury of debating what constitutes consensus in a terrorist-less
> >society returns.
> >
> >If you were thinking about contributing to an ICANN ALSO, send it to
> >the Red Cross instead.
> >
> >- Mike
> >
> >______________________________________________________
> >
> >Hello Mike,
> >
> >Excuse me? Unless I am very much mistaken, the implication here is that
> >there should not now be a functioning ALSO because "any old terrorist" would
> >disguise themselves as an honest, law abiding citizen, then capture the
> >bottom-up consensus building mechanism. In case you hadn't noticed,
> >terrorists do not vote, they throw bombs, and they avoid any form of
> >democratic process. The implication that there should not now be a
> >functioning ALSO until the USA rids the world of terrorism is equally
> >laughable. Terrorism is nothing new, and however many guns are thrown at it,
> >it will always exist in one insidious form or another. To try to turn this
> >catastrophic tragedy to political advantage, by citing it as a reason to
> >delay the implementation of democratic control over an autocratic entity,
> >suggests that somebody needs a serious reality check, or is sick, or both.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Joanna
> >
> >P.S. We don't need to debate what constitutes consensus. There is a
> >mechanism in place already.
> >
> >The URLs for Best Practices: DNSO Citation:
> >http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html
> >(Under "Other Information Documents"; "August 2001:
> >Proposal for Best Practices for the DNSO GA")
> >Part I:
> >http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BestPractices.html
> >Part II:
> >http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20010813.GA-BP-flowchart.pdf
> >(Access to the .pdf file requires installing the Adobe Acrobat
> >Reader, which is available for free down load at
> >http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html.)
> >
> >
> >
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