Re: [ga] Resignation of Alternate Chair

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Marilyn and all assembly members,

Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:

> - snip -
>
> On a different point which Roeland made, and which may be a lesson learned
> from Patrick's experiences, (I do not intend to speak for him/you, but to
> offer an idea):
>
> Ultimately, in my view, paid neutral staff, like associations have, would
> help to offload the burden now borne by elected leaders, whether in
> constituencies, or in the GA.

  Indeed this is quite true, and I share and have shared this view as well and
enunciated it on many occasions that have been documented.  Our staff
for instance is compensated for their efforts, as well as myself, through a
stiffen.

>
>
> Funding for such staffing could come through the fees collected from
> registrants of names, and provided on a neutral basis to the "structural
> support" of staff, web sites, communications costs, etc.

  No.  This was floated some time ago by Esther Dyson with respect to
the ICANN BOD and staff.  In effect it represents a "TAX" without representation

of the stakeholders/domain Name holders/usres that they have no say so
as to whether it should be imposed.  In addition as the DNSO is a
SO underneath the ICANN umbrella, it is subject to the legal restriction of
it's tax free status non-profit status.  As you know also Marilyn this too
has been discussed at some length.  Hence funding in this was is
not expectable or reasonable as once such a funding method is
engaged there is no way co controlling where it might end...

> I know that we
> have all struggled with this concept, but regardless of other differences,
> perhaps we can begin to think that staffing to SOs would be a "good thing".

  Indeed staffing the SO's is a good thing.  But the funding as a non-profit
corp. as ICANN is, including the SO's, such funding must predominantly
come from DONATIONS.  I am sure that AT&T would be more than
happy to contribute however!  >;)  Perhaps you can discuss this
with Michael your CEO and garner some funding from AT&T for the
SO's.  I am also sure that with a little of your well known Lobbying
expertise, that others in the Telecom industry would be more than
willing to also set up some method of say matching funds from
individual  contributions.  >;)  I am sure that I along with many
of the DNSO GA members would be most interested in the progress
of any efforts directly that such a well respected lobbyist such as yourself
Merilyn can provide the SO's would be followed closely!  >;)

>
> I hope we won't get caught up in arguing at this point about who chooses the
> staff, whether they work for ICANN or for the SO, but perhaps just give a
> little thought to how much better the content of our work could be if we
> didn't have to also bootstrap process.

  There should be not argument at all.  In fact they would have to work for
the SO of course to ADVISE the ICANN BoD as provided in the ICANN
Bylaws.

>  When people have to spend all their
> time dealing with administration, scheduling, etc., it is hard to also focus
> on consensus building; sufficient outreach, etc.  :-)

  Well it is much like chewing gum and walking at the same time Marilyn. >;)
Most of us can manage it.  However there are always those that struggle
with such efforts.  I am sorry to hear that Patrrick had such a struggle or
perhaps had problems long before becoming Alt-Chair....

>
>
> In any case, as we go forward, Patrick, I shall miss you, and have missed
> you.  And will keep you in my thoughts.   And hope that you will rejoin us
> at some point.

  I share you sentiment is this as well.  Perhaps after Patrick is in better
physical health and has secured gameful employment, he will be able
to participate again in the future on a more regular basis.

  BTW, as I understand it, AT&T is looking for a few good men/women.
Perhaps this is another area in which you Marilyn and AT&T can help
out Patrick in providing him a job that befits his abilities and provides
him also with the very helpful Medical benefits to address his immediate
physical needs....

>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marilyn
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:53 PM
> To: 'Patrick Corliss'; Roberto Gaetano
> Cc: [ga]
> Subject: RE: [ga] Resignation of Alternate Chair
>
> Hello Patrick,
>
> I've been rather busy and just caught this. I understand your position and I
> regret the decision you feel is necessary to take. I find it regretable. I
> find it even more regretable that the DNSO can't see fit to assist, with
> resources, its own elected leadership. The onerous burden of leadership
> results in about an order of magnitude more effort than simple participation
> in these lists. Some will undoubtedly disagree with that assessment. Added
> to that, the frustrations that put a strain on even the healthiest of us,
> then the burden is much to bear.
>
> IMHO, we need two different approaches to run simultaneously. We need an
> advocate and liaison, which we have in Danny, and we need a
> consensus-builder, which we have just lost. They are incompatible profiles
> in the samer body because the work in completely different ways. I have yet
> to see an advocate that can play the role of consensus-builder and I have
> yet to see a consensus-builder that can be an effective advocate. The two
> are not the same and they have to work in partnership. Ideally, we have two
> that work together as a team. However, no one claims that it's easy <g>.
>
> I, for one, thank you for your efforts, Patrick. It's a long and winding
> road and the burden is heavy. Some of us recognise that, even if others do
> not.

> |> -----Original Message-----
> |> From: Patrick Corliss [mailto:patrick@quad.net.au]
> |> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 8:15 AM
> |> To: Roberto Gaetano
> |> Cc: [ga]
> |> Subject: [ga] Resignation of Alternate Chair
> |>
> |>
> |> On Wed, 03 Oct 2001 07:02:28 +0000, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> |> On Wed, 03 Oct 2001 15:39:48 +1200, Joop Ternstra wrote:
> |>
> |> > >Our alt-Chair's absence, I believe, is due to illness.
> |> Therefore I keep
> |> > >encouraging Danny to appoint Chairs to some of the
> |> sublists to help him
> |> > >bringing order in the chaos.
> |> >
> |> > I am sorry to hear that.
> |> > I apologise for having thought that there might have been
> |> other reasons.
> |> > I hope Patrick will be healthy and participative soon.
> |>
> |> Hi Roberto
> |>
> |> Thank you for your kind comments about my health and this
> |> certainly requires
> |> urgent attention.  However, you are partly right that there
> |> are "other
> |> reasons".  One is the poor state of my personal finances.
> |> Nevertheless
> |> my health problems are real and quite serious, I'm sorry to say.
> |>
> |> More significantly, however, is the almost total inability
> |> of the GA to
> |> function.  This has many reasons which I have spelled out on
> |> a number of
> |> occasions.  Several of these factors have been raised in the
> |> two threads on
> |> the
> |> subject of the Chair's recall.  I really should not need to
> |> reiterate them
> |> here.
> |>
> |> One is the attitude of the NC (as indicated by Danny).
> |> Another is the
> |> desire by some well-known agitators to divert the process.
> |> A third is the
> |> ineffective approach taken by Danny to solving these problems and, in
> |> particular, his lack of willingness to accept advice and input.
> |>
> |> Where I have difficulty is in the inter-relationship of
> |> these factors.  The
> |> NC seems to be stuffing up and this, with the added
> |> complication of internal
> |> GA bickering, seems to drive Danny to a "leadership" role.
> |> This in turn
> |> causes
> |> justified criticism which is pounced on, and escalated, by
> |> the agitators.
> |>
> |> My own efforts to raise awareness (e.g. my comments about
> |> "red herings",
> |> diversionary tactics, the NC and mailing lists) just provides further
> |> ammunition
> |> leading to further diversions and biased commentary.  And so it goes.
> |>
> |> In fact, it took a huge effort on my part to get the GA to
> |> agree, generally,
> |> to move procedural debate to the [ga-rules] mailing list.  I
> |> saw this as a
> |> sound attempt to solve the problem of diversionary tactics
> |> such as are still
> |> occuring.  As well, the DNSO Secretariat proved recalcitrant
> |> in the extreme
> |> and I have had no support from the GA Chair in overcoming
> |> this problem.
> |>
> |> One result is that the motion has not been put to a vote <sigh>.
> |>
> |> At least I worked to obtain consensus.  However none of
> |> Danny's unilateral
> |> decisions have got of the ground.  I will not bore you with
> |> detailing them.
> |>
> |> There is also a serious problem in the ability of the list
> |> monitors to
> |> perform their work and this has led to several resignations.
> |>  You should be
> |> aware that one of Danny's decisions was to sack me as list
> |> monitor because
> |> of my comments about the lack of integrity shown by
> |> Elisabeth Porteneuve
> |> and Philip Sheppard.  I saw that as quite unreal and pathetic.
> |>
> |> Interestingly William X. Walsh argues that he can say what
> |> he likes about
> |> the Chair or the Alt Chair but should we return the favour
> |> he will lodge a
> |> formal complaint to [ga-abuse].  He will then complain
> |> bitterly about abuse
> |> of power should the list monitors not uphold his one-eyed views.
> |>
> |> None of this is designed to advance the process
> |> constructively.  I will
> |> remind
> |> participants of my post "They're Coming To Take Me Away.  Ha Ha."
> |>
> |> Of course, even those who seemed to support my efforts have
> |> truly put little
> |> effort into making them work.  One example is the Best
> |> Practices which its
> |> proponents argued did not need to be adopted in a formal
> |> sense.  Hence the
> |> recent comments on this list about a lack of process.
> |>
> |> My view is clear.  Unless the members of the GA genuinely
> |> work towards a
> |> co-operative approach then the whole framework is
> |> irrelevant.  Others have
> |> expressed the view that I am wasting my time because the
> |> framework is a sham
> |> anyway.  I appreciate that view but was determined to give
> |> it my best shot.
> |>
> |> All I wanted to do was to develop just ONE single policy
> |> outcome which would
> |> make its way though the formal process to the ICANN Board.
> |> That would be a
> |> test of their goodwill @!!  I really was acting in the best
> |> interests of the
> |> GA.
> |>
> |> The truth is that I now realise that this is impossible
> |> particularly since I
> |> do not have the support of several key participants in the
> |> official process.
> |> I name these as Danny Younger, Philip Sheppard and Elisabeth
> |> Porteneuve.
> |>
> |> It is with regret, therefore, that I hereby resign as
> |> Alternate Chair of the
> |> General
> |> Assembly.
> |>
> |> Thank you for your trust.  I am truly sorry that I could not
> |> achieve the
> |> impossible.
> |>
> |> Best regards
> |> Patrick Corliss
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>
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