Re: [ga] The "Precondition" Argument for an Individuals Constituency

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Patrick, Chuck and all assembly members,

  I fail to see why any constituency need to be approved by the ICANN
BoD at all.  Why?  A constituency is a constituency, whether or
not the ICANN BOD approves of it or not.  We have seen already
too many times now that the ICANN BOD uses the formation
of any constituency as a tool for it's own BOD member purposes.
When I wonder are all of you going to really learn that lesson?

Patrick Corliss wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:05:28 -0500, Chuck Gomes wrote:
> >As I have communicated before, in person in GA meetings and on
> > this list, I believe that a new constituency should organize itself and
> > demonstrate strong representativeness of the community involved and
> > then submit its proposal for recognition.  Just because the idea of an
> > individuals constituency makes sense to many of us, that is not enough
> > to approve it.
>
> > If I was a board member I would want to see evidence of an organization
> > that is functioning or at least ready to function and one that can show that
> > it represents a reasonable sample of the population it claims to represent.
> In
> > my opinion that has never happened.
>
> Hi Chuck
>
> In his reply to your post, David Farrar made some compelling observations.
> His remarks have led others to comment in a way that may get away from your
> point.
>
> What you are saying very clearly, and I agree, is that any new constituency
> should organise itself first to be reasonably acceptable to the ICANN Board.
>
> Please don't misunderstand, everybody AGREES with you on that and, except for
> an odd fringe lunatic somewhere, they always have.  So what's the problem?
>
> (1)    It's a very difficult task in the special case of individuals.
> However, many people have put serious effort into the attempt.  Others, like
> myself, have either tried to assist or would be prepared to assist if the game
> was fair.
>
> (2)    But there's the rub.  The game's not fair.  Asking people to set up a
> constituency for individuals when ICANN has no intention of allowing
> participative democracy is a dream.  Those with any sense see that quite well.
>
> So the fact that you are going along with what I am calling the "precondition"
> argument indicates that you are either (a) being fooled by the FUD or (b) lack
> personal integrity.
>
> I have already said that, in my opinion, (b) does not apply.
>
> Eric Dierker made that implication but I think he was just being careless as
> usual.  Ross Wm. Rader can be discounted to some extent because he is a rival
> registrar (as pointed out by Patrick Greenwell).  Definitely we should all
> avoid such comments in relation to issues which are unrelated to the accused
> person's core interest.
>
> In other words, I would accept that you or Ross may be perceived to have a
> conflict of interest in relation to matter directly relating to your
> employer's business activities.  I would not accept that you should
> necessarily be so labeled in relation to more general issues like
> "contituencies" or "consensus".
>
> Anyway, back to the point.  Could I please advise you to drop what I am
> calling the "precondition" argument.  Should you find this too difficult, you
> should move on to the next step and assist in building a foundation acceptable
> to ICANN.
>
> Otherwise such precondition arguments are seen as mere hurdles being placed in
> the way by those who are determined not to implement the requested structure.
>
> Such a view leads to these nasty "integrity" questions !!
>
> Best regards
> Patrick Corliss
>
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