Re: [ga] Internet stability

[Rick H Wesson <wessorh@ar.com>]

all:

The ATT/@Home issue is completely off topic for this list, lets keep
focused on relivant issues infront of the GA.

chair:

   would you please list the top 3 unresolved issues the GA faced,
   from the meeting in Marina del Rey, to refocus this list.

thanks,

-rick



On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Dear all,
> As Joanna puts it in term of economics for this major failure:
>
> On 05:40 01/12/01, Joanna Lane said:
> >The consequences of foolish choices. ATT paid 6 billion dollars for Excite.
> >http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200111/msg0038
> >2.html>
>
> But the real issue is well defined in that memo:
>
> <quote>
> I do know that ATT paid six billion dollars for Excite by itself on the
> assumption that people would leave their home pages set to Excite. This
> seemed particularly naive and foolish. It was compounded by ATT comments
> about wanting a share of the e-commerce revenue generated by their
> customers. This seems to be part of a fundamental misunderstanding of what
> the Internet is. I think of it as confusing the Internet with the Home
> Shopping Network and not recognizing the layering and the end-to-end
> architecture.
> </unquote>
>
> The problem is the usual problem of commercial people dreaming to reshape
> the network reality rather than using it. Any seaman knows that you go with
> the sea, not against. Before doing any business on the network it is better
> to understand how it works, and how the people use it :-) ...
>
> The problem is that when you tell how the Internet is built you are not
> listened ... yet (so many people know intuitively better) . But it is
> coming with such failures. May be sometime the ICANN will listen too !
>
> The Internet is neither a captive starn etwork, nor a meshed market. It is
> a distributed, open real life multi consensus you have to attract. Business
> on a network must be layered along the network layers: what costs and kills
> is the confusion between layers as with NSI: one thing is to register a
> domain name, another is to certify a user, another is to run DNS servers,
> another is to coopete with other TLDs to develop the Nets. Even if you
> address apparently the same market: actually you do not address
> individually the same people, not at the same time, not in the same
> capacity. Bundling things instead of helping people shopping for waht they
> want, when they want, how they want, costs you your shirt. Telcos have
> nothing to do with the Internet: they have to create a separate affiliate.
> And that affiliate has nothing to do with e-commerce. Another affiliate. In
> France France Telecom understood that: they created Wanadoo - a total new
> name and company, different people to approach the market. And they still
> commercially partly suffer from their Telco ties.
>
> I only hope that this huge financial loss will not hurt Marilyn's since she
> is in that area, and that it will serve all the others who cannot afford to
> lose even 6 dollars to understand the architecture of their own small local
> or family business. I am glad I did not sign with Excite :-) for a project
> !!!
>
> This is not the first time I see AT&T blundering in style: the collapse of
> the X-Ten project in the early 80's helped a lot of my by then X.25 public
> services customers not to go under or wrong - I had a worldwide famous :-)
> day over that in Tel Aviv for those who may remember !!! You may tell
> people what they do is against the network architecture rules: they do not
> listen, but when they see the financial losses some start understanding ....
>
> Jefsey
>
> >on 11/30/01 10:36 PM, Roeland Meyer at rmeyer@mhsc.com wrote:
> >
> > > As of midnight, tonight, 4 million users, just in the SF Bay Area, may lose
> > > their internet connection due to the business failure of Excite @ home.
> > >
> > > Lately, we've been talking about what matters. Well, this is what
> > matters to
> > > the Internet public. This has been seen coming for almost four months. Has
> > > the ICANN even tried to do anything? Yet, ICANN claims to help
> > stabilize the
> > > Internet. The territory that ICANN claims, doesn't touch any part of this.
> > >
> > > This may be the largest outage in the history of the Internet. Heretofore,
> > > the NorthPoint failure may have had claim to that honor. However, unlike
> > > NorthPoint, Excite has mostly residential customers. Ergo, the impact on
> > > business isn't as great. DSL providers can expect many new customers as a
> > > result, even if Excite doesn't pull the plug tonight.
> > >
> > > --
> > > R O E L A N D  M J  M E Y E R
> > > Managing Director
> > > Morgan Hill Software Company
> > > tel: +1 925 373 3954
> > > cel: +1 925 352 3615
> > > fax: +1 925 373 9781
> > > http://www.mhsc.com
>
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