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Re: [ga] NC Review Task Force -- Captured by Business Interests ??
Ross and all assembly members,
Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
> All,
>
> Might I suggest that neither of these messages is productive? While the
> tactics that Patrick has employed aren't exactly subtle and certainly err on
> the side of caustic as you point out Ken, the basic issue that Patrick
> raises has some merit. And Patrick, certainly your case could be argued
> without assassinating the character of those you don't agree with.
I agree with you here Ross. However the directed atrocities to which
you seem to attribute to Patrick and Roeland predominantly here
are also employed by Ken Stubbs on this thread and in other
occasions.
I of course can understand, as you seem to, and I am sure other
Assembly members that Ken felt the need to defend himself,
and Patrick and Roeland in this instance on this thread felt that
the ignoring by the NC has gone past the point of being
reasonable.
>
>
> If we could all back off from the trigger on the rhetoric gun that we have
> been walking around with and pointing at each other almost randomly, then
> perhaps we might get some real work done.
Perhaps so. However as you already know this approach to which
you suggest has been tried many times before.
>
>
> Other, seemingly more productive and less political circles around the
> internet (damned engineers get everything right, or rewrite it to get it
> right ;), value rough consensus, & working code over mailing list rhetoric.
> I haven't heard anyone state that individuals don't need meaningful
> representation within ICANN. I've also seen some pretty good arguments both
> for and against the ALSC and NAIS reports. What we are not seeing are valid
> proposals that stand against the current propositions on the table - on the
> contrary, as the thread quoted below indicates, whining, sniping and
> counter-sniping seem to be the order of the day.
Yes Ross several proposals have been posted to the ALSC and this
forum before. They were ignored.
>
>
> Guerilla tactics and bush fights can only take an issue so far - what we
> need now is rough consensus and working code (or perhaps the reverse -
> anything is preferable to the status quo.)
There is not status quo. That is the problem. There was, but
the ICANN BoD created the ALSC and than that members.icann.org
was put on hold again. As such the following two ALSC reports
rejected sense november 2000 any new At-Large members or individual
voting power within ICANN. Hence where we are today. This is
unexceptable, it violates the MoU and the White Paper, and it shows
clearly that the ICANN BoD and staff do not want individual stakeholders
regardless of their dispensation to have voting power or representation
on the BoD in accordance with the percentage that they rightfully
and actually represent.
> Perhaps if we would take the time
> to listen to one another just a bit more, talk just a little bit less and
> propose a little bit more concretely, we might discover that consensus is
> not such a difficult obligation to fulfill.
Perhaps so. Experience thus far has not shown that however.
>
>
> -rwr
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Stubbs" <kstubbs@digitel.net>
> To: "Patrick Corliss" <patrick@quad.net.au>; "[ga]" <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] NC Review Task Force -- Captured by Business Interests ??
>
> > patrick....
> >
> > i wont be a "civil" as peter dengate thrush was with your
> > comments................
> >
> > Elisabeth is a 'highly ethical" person and i am "disgusted" at your
> > characterization .
> >
> > you are only "talking to hear yourself" and it baseless "garbage" like
> this
> > which only serve to cause any posting you make to this or any other list
> > that much less "meaningful"..
> >
> > you only disrespect yourself with comments like this.
> >
> > ken stubbs
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Patrick Corliss" <patrick@quad.net.au>
> > To: "[ga]" <ga@dnso.org>
> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:18 PM
> > Subject: [ga] NC Review Task Force -- Captured by Business Interests ??
> >
> >
> > > ==== > NC Teleconf Agenda 13 December 2001 <=====
> > >
> > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:50:36 +0100, DNSO Secretariat wrote:
> > >
> > > > DNSO Names Council Teleconference on 13 December 2001 - agenda
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > 2. Adoption of amended final report on review (Philip Sheppard) 15 mins
> > > - agreement to dissolve the Review task force
> > > http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20011010.NCreview-report.html
> > >
> > > $$ Philip Sheppard, Business Constituency
> > >
> > > 3. Adoption of final report on dot Org (provisional) (Milton
> > Mueller) -15
> > > mins.
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-org/Arc00/msg00239.html
> > >
> > > ~$ Milton Mueller, NCDNH Constituency
> > >
> > > 4. Discussion on IDNs with IETF representative (provisional) Elisabeth
> > > Porteneuve - 30 mins.
> > > - next steps, IDN task force
> > >
> > > $$ Elizabeth Porteneuve, ccTLD Registries
> > >
> > > 5. Task force transfers TF (Marilyn Cade) - 5 mins.
> > > - comments from the GA (Danny Younger) 10 mins.
> > >
> > > $$ Marilyn Cade, Business Constituency
> > >
> > > 6. Task Force update since November 14 - 30 mins.
> > > - UDRP Caroline Chicoine
> > >
> > > $$ Caroline Chicoine, IP Constituency
> > >
> > > - Structure Philip Sheppard
> > >
> > > $$ Philip Sheppard, Business Constituency
> > >
> > > - WhoIs Paul Kane/Marilyn Cade
> > >
> > > $$ Paul Kane, Registrars Constituency
> > > $$ Marilyn Cade, Business Constituency
> > >
> > > Of the constituency members mentioned, we have:
> > >
> > > $$ Marilyn Cade, Business Constituency
> > > $$ Caroline Chicoine, IP Constituency
> > > $$ Paul Kane, Registrars Constituency
> > > ~$ Milton Mueller, NCDNH Constituency
> > > $$ Elizabeth Porteneuve, ccTLD Registries (Herald for Philip
> Sheppard)
> > > $$ Philip Sheppard, Business Constituency (also associated with IP)
> > >
> > > By my count, that's:
> > >
> > > 5 of 6 supporting business interests.
> > > 1 of 6 supporting nonprofits.
> > > 0 of 6 supporting individual registrants.
> > >
> > > Capture, anyone ??
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Patrick Corliss
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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