FW: Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and Tiscal i

[steinle@smartvia.de]

Sorry,
I forgot to send this to the GA

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From: steinle@smartvia.de
Sent: Fri Dec 21 02:41:33 CET 2001
To: jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and Tiscal	 i
Jeffrey,

I think you [the INEGroup] has the manpower, the money, the connection, the 
knowledge, the skills and thousand other things to make the same thing New.
net does. Seriously I think you and your 'Over 121k members/stakeholdes' 
could do a much better job than New.net.
If you decide to create a new registry I would be proud to sell you domains 
as a registrar through my nic.info site (http://nic.info.xs2.net)

You [the INEGroup] have the power do do this, believe me!

Zeig ICANN wo der Hammer hängt! 

 ;-) :D

cheers
simon
http://nic.pro.xs2.net

> Marc, Roeland and all assembly members,
>   We [INEGroup] have long agreed that splitting the Net/Root structure
> was not the best solution to expansion of the DNS and especially the
> addition of new TLD's.  However the ICANN Interim BoD and than
> the ICANN BOD and staff have made this necessary by their lack
> of both vision and disregard for RFC 1591.  Hence companies such
> as New.Net along with other ISP's have little choice if they wish to
> remain competitive in a ever increasingly competitive market.
>   The ICANN BoD and staff have created the 'Mess' and have also
> refused to help clean it up thus far.  I personally suspect that sometime
> down the road that this too shall see a great change in direction.
> Marc Schneiders wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, at 15:36 [=GMT-0800], Roeland Meyer wrote:
> >
> > > If you think about it, this is obviously what ICANN wants. As the main 
dog
> > > in the manger, keeping all other cooperative/collective solutions
> > > suppressed, the cartel approach is the only way left to route around 
them.
> > >
> > > The ICANN is either too stupid for words or they are cunningly 
> manipulating
> > > the internet into a cartel-only existance. I don't see a middle-ground
> > > interpretation of their actions. Maybe my imagination is lacking?
> >
> > I think your imigination is quite acurate. Unfortunately. This doesn't
> > mean I have to like the solution of new.net, or any other counter
> > cartel. ICANN may be a cartel (and mainly it is, I think). That
> > doesn't mean that the way out is a competitor that does not 'talk'
> > with it. Yes, I know that the breaking down of Telco monopolies (I
> > only know about here, Holland) was not easy, but at least it did not
> > turn into a _mess_. new.net etc means a mess, as you know. I have seen
> > your efforts to repair this mess on a technical DNS level, and I
> > appreciate your ideas. But this is not the way for 'users'.
> >
> > We should avoid a mess, really, not because it would not be fun, it
> > would be.
> >
> > M
> >
> >  > > |> -----Original
> > Message----- > |> From: Marc Schneiders [mailto:marc@schneiders.org]
> > > |> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:11 PM
> > > |> To: steinle@smartvia.de
> > > |> Cc: icann-europe@lists.fitug.de; ga@dnso.org
> > > |> Subject: Re: [icann-europe] Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] new.net and
> > > |> Tiscali
> > > |>
> > > |>
> > > |> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, at 22:51 [=GMT+0100], steinle@smartvia.de wrote:
> > > |>
> > > |> > @ Pascal and all,
> > > |> >
> > > |> > There will be definitivly a Domain resolution over the Tiscali
> > > |> > DNS. All other is wishful thinking from you as a competitor.
> > > |> >
> > > |> > According to my information New.net will add another big ISP in
> > > |> > the next days to jump over 100 mil users with access before 2002.
> > > |> >
> > > |> > ISPs smell the cash... there is no reason for ISPs why they
> > > |> > shouldn't join the New.net team. Hey, they get mo money and their
> > > |> > customers get more TLDs. Sounds goog to me.
> > > |> >
> > > |> > Sorry,
> > > |> > but as always money makes the world go round.
> > > |>
> > > |> No need to apologize, just to think. Is this what we want? Me selling
> > > |> bad.kids and you too?
> > > |>
> > > |> I don't think so. I would like to go for something solid. Regulated,
> > > |> but NOT a cartel.
> > > |>
> > > |> --
> > > |> marc@j.root-servers.orsc
> > > |>
> > > |> >
> > > |> > cheers,
> > > |> > simon
> > > |> > http://nic.pro.xs2.net
> > > |> >
> > > |> > > Jeff, Thomas and all,
> > > |> > > Tiscal has confirmed that there is a form of cooperation
> > > |> with new.net.
> > > |> > > _but_ following my information, there's no active
> > > |> registration over the
> > > |> > > Tiscali network. Furthermore a Domain resolution over
> > > |> the Tiscali DNS
> > > |> > > has not been confirmed yet. As far as I know, there are
> > > |> no further
> > > |> > > informations as the press release of new.net, which
> > > |> doesn't say veray
> > > |> > > much...
> > > |> > > Regards,
> > > |> > > Pascal
> > > |> > > On 20 Dec 2001 at 13:16, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > |> > > > Thomas and all,
> > > |> > > >
> > > |> > > >   Thomas, thank you for this input.  It is not
> > > |> unexpected of course. As
> > > |> > > > has been the steady but somewhat subdued trend, the
> > > |> ISP's seeking
> > > |> > > > additional customers and service product offerings,
> > > |> Inclusive and
> > > |> > > > competitive registries/Root structures are becoming
> > > |> the best avenue for
> > > |> > > > both potential customer and the ISP's....
> > > |> > > >
> > > |> > > > Thomas Roessler wrote:
> > > |> > > >
> > > |> > > > > According to an item on Heise's news ticker, Tiscali
> > > |> - one of the
> > > |> > > > > larger European ISPs - has joined the club of those
> > > |> who will add
> > > |> > > > > new.net's domains.
> > > |> > > > >
> > > |> > > > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-20.12.01-000/
> > > |> > > > > http://www.new.net/tiscali_press.tp
> > > |> > > > >
> > > |> > > > > There doesn't seem to be any press release on
> > > |> Tiscali's web site.
> > > |> > > > >
> > > |> > > > > --
> > > |> > > > > Thomas Roessler
> > > http://log.does-not-exist.org/
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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