Re: [ga] Verisign: ".com/net not a necessity" replying to anti-trust concerns of WLS

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

WXW and all assembly members,

  Other Root and registry systems that are not "ICANN Accredited" ARE
part of the DNS currently and have been for over 5 years now.  You know
and have known that.  So for anyone or organization to make a statement
that discussion or debate as part of or inclusive of the USG/Legacy
Root structure or Registry's as "Spam" is to deny reality.  Four of the
"Big 8" ISP recognize Inclusive and Competitive registries and root
structures currently.

William X Walsh wrote:

> It doesn't belong on the ICANN DNSO mailing lists, that is why it is
> spam.
>
> This is not the forum for him to be promoting alt.root systems.
>
> Tuesday, Tuesday, January 29, 2002, 6:12:15 PM, Don Brown wrote:
>
> > I don't think this is spam, at all.  I think it is an opinion and, although
> > you and I may not agree with it, he does, never-the-less, have some
> > elementary right to share his thoughts.  This list is suppose to be
> > open and not bigoted - at least I thought so, going in.
>
> > I may even agree with some, or all, of what he said, although I am not
> > stating that is my position, at this time. Please be sure to recognize
> > that I am not writing this in support of what was said, because that
> > is not the purpose of this post. I'm also not saying that I totally
> > disagree with what was said. My position on this matter is not the
> > point.
>
> > The point is that, even if we may loath hearing the message for the
> > upteenth time or we may be diametrically opposed to the view
> > expressed, it is not appropriate to criticize the message just because
> > of its topic or the person posting it. The content, in my view, is
> > what needs to be challenged and discussed - not the person who posts
> > and not the topic.  IOW, I don't think it is appropriate to call it
> > "spam" just because you don't like the subject matter, poster or the
> > content.  Let's challenge the ideas presented -- that's healthy.
>
> > The value of a list, in MHO (George, I am humble, sometimes) is that
> > we have the opportunity to hear different points of view and differing
> > ideas. Sometimes, it opens our eyes to a bigger picture or a different
> > take on the subject matter, sometimes we may think the person posting
> > it is an idiot.  Regardless, the value of people posting their
> > thoughts is what makes a list valuable and a means of helping build
> > the all important consensus.  I wouldn't like to see anything which
> > discourages anyone from expressing their views openly and liberally.
>
> > FWIW.
>
> > p.s. I even like you, William, and I think you do well at cutting
> > through the fat to the core issue, most of the time. I just don't
> > agree with the method, this time.  Humbly and respectfully, that's my
> > take FWIW.
>
> > Tuesday, January 29, 2002, 5:14:45 PM, William X Walsh <william@wxsoft.info> wrote:
>
> WXW>> Can we keep the alt.root spam to a minimum please?
>
> WXW>> Tuesday, Tuesday, January 29, 2002, 2:53:16 PM, John Palmer wrote:
>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "George Kirikos" <gkirikos@yahoo.com>
> >>> To: <ga@dnso.org>; <cgomes@verisign.com>
> >>> Cc: <discuss-list@opensrs.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:18 PM
> >>> Subject: [ga] Verisign: ".com/net not a necessity" replying to anti-trust
> >>> concerns of WLS
> >>> [...]
>
> >>> You know, the inclusive namespace is still out there. We haven't gone
> >>> anywhere. When
> >>> you guys are tired of "working within the process" (which is rigged since
> >>> the ICANN
> >>> board is basically VSGN, Neustar/Neulevel and Afilias) - You can come on
> >>> board
> >>> the inclusive bus right now.
>
> >>> If you are an ISP - see http://www.open-rsc.org or http://www.pacroot.com to
> >>> find
> >>> out how to make ICANN irrelevant to your company and customers right now. If
> >>> your ISP wont, you can do it yourself (and then get an ISP that respects
> >>> your right
> >>> to see all of the internet, not just websites whose operators are cowering
> >>> in the corner
> >>> afraid that VSGN/ICANN/USG will pull the plug on them using one of the
> >>> myriad of
> >>> increasingly burdensome contract provisions that are FORCED on people before
> >>> they are allowed to get a .COM/NET/ORG).
>
> >>> The Inclusive Namespace has none of that.
>
> >>> No UDRP, in other words, no binding  mechansim that allows rich concerns to
> >>> steal
> >>> domains from poor people.
>
> >>> No rigged Board that claims it is "a consensus based, open, community
> >>> process"
> >>> (gag)
>
> >>> No USG "big stick" lending authority to the aforementioned corrupt and
> >>> rotten
> >>> situation.
>
> >>> We've been here all along. Don't you understand? If enough people leave
> >>> ICANN's root
> >>> networks, they will be irrelevant.  Right now, 7-12% of the internet looks
> >>> away from ICANN,
> >>> and this number is growing.
>
> >>> There are some pretty powerful figures lurking here. If everyone would only
> >>> get up and move,
> >>> we could hasten ICANN's demise (a GOOD thing) as a 900lb gorilla. Without
> >>> your help it
> >>> will take a bit longer, but it will happen.
>
> >>>> As for dot-com and dot-net not being a necessity, that's true in the
> >>>> sense that they're not like food, water or shelter. However, if
> >>>> Verisign truly believed their own argument then the "one year test"
> >>>> could be conducted with equal efficacy using the dot-TV or dot-CC TLDs,
> >>>> and not dot-com/net. If it's true, I'm willing to trade Verisign
> >>>> gs34jkhgds-jkhg.org for the NSI.com domain name. I believe someone
> >>>> forgot to tell GreatDomains (a Verisign company) that other TLDs are
> >>>> now pervasive:
> >>>>
>
> >>> How about domains like mydom.USA, mydom.AMERICA, mydom.EARTH,
> >>> mydom.WEB?? How about 8,000 - 9,000 TLDs to choose from??? They exist
> >>> now, and most without any nasty UDRP, USG or WIPO.
>
> >>> Thats what we have now in the Big World out there.
>
> >>> There is a solution, its right under everyone's nose. When are you all going
> >>> to
> >>> get the picture that ICANN ignores all of you and keeps you busy bickering
> >>> amongst each other on these lists. Name one thing, ONE SUBSTANTIAL THING
> >>> that you have accomplished in the past 2 years (apart from running
> >>> elections, polls
> >>> suspending people for getting a bit too hot under the collar).
>
> >>> They (ICANN) are playing you for fools. Either get up, leave and go make a
> >>> real difference or else let progress pass you by. The game is rigged. You
> >>> are
> >>> ignored. Face it. Move on to progress or give up.
>
> >>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>
> >>>> George Kirikos
> >>>> http://www.kirikos.com/
> >>>>
>
> >>> John Palmer
>
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> William X Walsh <william@wxsoft.info>
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