Re: [ga] MP3 technical failure - Another "Load"

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Marilyn and all assembly members of interested parties,

  First thank you Mailyn for your comments and concerns stated
below.  (See my specific response below Marilyn's comments)

Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:

> Sotiris, I am not sure what your objection is to.

  Well it was plain and easy to understand to me Marilyn. Are
you trying to deflect this incident perhaps.  Spin is not
your strong suit IMHO...

> The NC is working as a TF
> to address the restructuring question.

  And this is fine as well as a very good idea.  But why is it not open
to any and all wishing to actively participate?

> The GA chair and alt. Chair have been
> added to the work initiative.

  Yes, but not with the GA members desire or consent.  Hence they cannot
be representing anyone but themselves as individuals...  Yet the appearance
would seem otherwise.  That is both disrespectful to ALL of the
GA members as well as being slightly if not allot dishonest.

> {That idea was broadly supported! ]

By whom specifically.  When did the GA members vote on such
representation on this TF.  As I recall Peter de Blanc supported
the idea that TF members should be elected by the GA members.
I see no record of either Thomas or Alex being elected to serve
on this TF.  Where is it Marilyn?

> Thomas
> was on the call/had to leave early, but this was a preliminary discussion
> about TOR and work approaches.... The minutes will convey most of the
> discussion...

  Most is not good enough Marilyn.  And whom is to say that those
minutes will be anything close to the actual teleconference???

>
>
> Sometimes technology fails. It's regrettable, but Glen was taking minutes.

  Yeah right.  People fail far more often that this simple technology does.
I am not buying this "Load" either Marilyn...

>
> Reminds all of us how helpful it is to have human back up.  :-)

  Yes I like the idea of a human scribe too.  But such is no
where near as accurate as a voice (MP3 in this case)
recording or even Voice to text.  BTW as I recall here recently
isn't AT&T pushing those very two technologies in their recent
Television and Cable ads Marilyn?  >;)   Nice try again at
spin Marilyn, but no cigar here!

>
>
> And, like J.Scott, if anyone wants to call me, I'll pull out my personal
> notes and walk through them with you.

  Ok Fine, just like Scott I will take you up on that offer.
What's the Number?  Or you can call me at 214-244-4827.

>
>
> If you check the archives, you will see that I  urged that the chair/alt
> chair be included in this NC working as a TF.    You can be suspicious, or
> you can, like the rest of us, realize that technology fails from time to
> time.  Or, you can be both... :-)

  LOL!  Ohhhh this is really rich here Marilyn.  Again nice bit of
spin, and again no cigar.

>
>
> I know that none of us were aware of the failure.
>
> I agree that this is hard work... we need to  focus on getting to
> supportable restructuring options...the GA views and input will be critical.
> Thomas and Alex will be organizing that...

  Ok I will offer AGAIN to keep a backup recorder on to any
of these Conference calls.  Unlike the DNSO, our recording
equipment has NEVER gone down.  That' because  we
have built in redundancy and keep our equipment in good
working order...  Wish I could say the same for the AT&T
equipment I have recently used...  :(

>
>
> Marilyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos [mailto:sotiris@hermesnetwork.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 5:23 PM
> To: J. Scott Evans
> Cc: Jeff Williams; ga@dnso.org; DNSO Secretariat; Stuart Lynn; icann board
> address
> Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure - Another "Load"
>
> Mr. Evans,
>
> The call should have been re-scheduled then.  Without a
> record of the deliberations the process is anything but
> open and transparent.  As for insinuating a conspiracy...
> it's pretty obvious to most of us (Individuals) that there
> is a cabal within ICANN.  Of course, as the IPC rep your
> interests are being served, so I wouldn't expect you to
> say anything different.  Frankly, you are paid to present
> "your" viewpoints in these fora (viewpoints which are
> actually those of your clients), so I wouldn't take your
> word on these matters.  It's not personal, just pragmatic,
> so don't bother to feign offense for our sake.
>
> "J. Scott Evans" wrote:
> >
> > Gentlemen:
> >
> > I believe notes were indeed taken.  Please be assured that nothing
> nefarious
> > took place.  If either of you would like to know what took place, I would
> > suggest you contact the NC Chair or the NC Secretariat and request a copy
> of
> > the minutes rather than posting public comments insinuating a conspiracy
> for
> > which you simply have no proof.  In the alternative, you are welcome to
> > phone me and I will do my best to relay my recollection of today's call.
> >
> > J. Scott Evans
> > IPC NC Representative
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > To: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> > Cc: <ga@dnso.org>; "DNSO Secretariat" <DNSO.Secretariat@dnso.org>; "Stuart
> > Lynn" <lynn@icann.org>; "icann board address" <icann-board@icann.org>
> > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ga] MP3 tehnical failure - Another "Load"
> >
> > > Sotiris and all assembly members,
> > >
> > >   Yes Sotiris, you summed it up rather nicely and honestly.
> > > "What a load".  Precisely!  I just wonder how high that load
> > > is going to get!  I will see whet Guinness Book of World records
> > > is on "Stacks/piles of LOAD" is!  ROFLAMO!
> > >
> > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think 'heinous' is a better characterization.  I suppose
> > > > there is no record of the conference whatsoever?  Not even
> > > > scribe notes?  So, we'll just have to accept that none of
> > > > us can be privy to the matters taken under conference
> > > > during said session?
> > > >
> > > > What a load!
> > > >
> > > > eric wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is hilarious!
> > > > > e
> > > > >
> > > > > DNSO Secretariat wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > [To: ga@dnso.org; liaison7c@dnso.org]
> > > > > > [To: announce@dnso.org]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The DNSO Secretariat technical staff apologizes for the failure in
> > MP3
> > > > > > recording of the 22nd March Names Council conference.
> > > > > > This failure was due to an electricity breakdown in the call room
> > just
> > > > > > followed by a phone breakdown.
> > > > > > We will take care that this does not happen again in the future.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DNSO Secretariat technical staff.
> > > > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
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>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>         Hermes Network Inc.
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