More Censorship in the DNSO GA to: Re: [ga] Substance over rhetoric - a constructive challenge

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Abel and all assembly members,

Abel Wisman wrote:

> This email scares me by the narrow views it holds on who is to
> participate and who not.
> Imo it is simple, if choosen you have the job, no matter who or what you
> are or where you come from or do for a living, your recommendations
> would render 98% of the honest people on the GA non-electable which is
> ridiculous.

  Yes you are quite right Abel, it is ridiculous.  But this is in part as a
result of Roberto's tenure along with Harald's as Chair/Alt-Chair
and help from Kent Crispin in their many attempts to dissuade
or disenfranchise real stakeholders from participating at all.  We see
this again happening with Eric and myself being suspended from
the DNSO GA, and Eric even being banned (Censorship), without
notice, or cause.  It's an ugly and disgusting thing to see and experience,
not to mention not legal.  As a result, ICANN through these actions
without taking steps to correct them quickly, is passively agreeing to
such behavior and loosing credibility as a result...

>
>
> abel
>
> On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 02:07, Joanna Lane wrote:
> > From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:ploki_xyz@hotmail.com]
> > Joanna,
> >
> > Thank you for your long speech, but my question did not imply in any way
> > that the election mechanism could not be improved. It was just meant to be
> > an opportunity to clarify to the community if you would accept membership
> > rules by which a "lobbyst of ATT", for instance, could become member and run
> > for office (provided, of course, that he/she solves potential
> > incompatibilities in the Bylaws, if this were the case).
> >
> > Regards
> > Roberto
> >
> > Dear Roberto,
> >
> > You think this is a simple question? Then let me ask you this one:- "when
> > did you stop beating your wife?".
> >
> > I have faith that the majority of people involved in the Internet Industry
> > are essentially good, but they must ensure the interests of the general
> > public and the interests of large multi-national corporations are not
> > commingled in the process that is used to regulate them. It is not
> > appropriate for paid political lobbyists to hold elected positions in the
> > body selected to represent the general public interest, but of course they
> > have a place in the overall scheme of things.
> >
> > One key problem with the current structure lies in Bylaws that positively
> > encourage individuals to seek out multiple platforms for their voice to be
> > heard, namely in the DNSO Constituencies. This has resulted in a "one man,
> > more than one vote" scenario, the same voice being voted repeatedly. It is
> > simply unconscionable that the general public have no direct representation
> > in the DNSO policy making process. The DNSO nonsense is ICANN's major
> > failure, not the At Large.
> >
> > The At Large must shape itself to clearly distinguish between groups of
> > those who are paid to be there, and those who are not. Stick with the
> > principal of "one man one vote", which the Eligibility section of ICANN's
> > current Bylaws seeks to uphold, and it doesn't really matter which of the
> > various platforms any particular individual chooses to take up, so long as
> > they only have one.
> >
> > Sorry for the length of the speech!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Joanna
> >
> > >From: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>
> > >To: Roberto Gaetano <ploki_xyz@hotmail.com>, ga@dnso.org
> > >Subject: RE: [ga] Substance over rhetoric - a constructive challenge
> > >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:37:21 -0500
> > >
> > >Roberto wrote:-
> > >From my part, before providing an opinion, I would like to have her answer
> > >to a simple question: "At Large membership and eligibility to office will
> > >be
> > >open to any individual, with no additional restriction versus the set of
> > >rules given for the 2002 At Large elections. Agree/Disagree?"
> > >
> > >________________________________________________________
> > >
> > >I disagree to the extent that, as a practical matter, there is no point in
> > >electing an individual that ICANN cannot accept for reason of its own
> > >Bylaws, or those of a successor agency whichever is applicable. However,
> > >all
> > >things considered, I thought the 2000 elections were a success. I had never
> > >heard of ICANN prior to those elections, yet I not only heard about them, I
> > >was able to familiarize myself with candidates, learn about various issues,
> > >candidate positions, given the ability to interact with them directly and
> > >make an informed choice. I personally had no problems registering on the
> > >site, obtaining my pin and voting. Would I vote for repeating the procedure
> > >even if nothing was changed? Sure, I would. Would I change some things
> > >given
> > >the choice? Yes, that also, including but not limited to:-
> > >
> > >1) Citizenship/ Residency Anomaly - the internet community is full of
> > >people
> > >like myself and Joop, whose citizenship and residency fall into different
> > >regions. Currently, I have started to co-ordinate the New York Working
> > >Group
> > >for the At Large, a practical effort that one would think might result in a
> > >person sitting on a local Committee of some sort in due course, that in
> > >turn, could lead to State, then Federal Committees and ultimately the top
> > >job, an At Large Director for the North American region. (This is an
> > >example, not a pitch for anything!)  However, as a British citizen and
> > >permanent resident of the United States, under current election rules, I
> > >can
> > >only stand for election as representative of the European Union (which in
> > >fact I did last year), where I cannot even have a photo opportunity at the
> > >ballot box casting my own vote. Not only can I not stand for election in
> > >the
> > >same region in which I cast my vote, I cannot vote in the region in which I
> > >have citizenship. This does not fit with normal voting rights in the real
> > >world, is a barrier to entry, and all the more unacceptable when one
> > >considers that the rule only came about for ICANN's convenience, (it was
> > >deemed too difficult to verify residency of a candidate),
> > >http://www.icann.org/committees/elcom/recs-07jul00.htm, My sense is that a
> > >person who works tirelessly for a particular At large Region over a number
> > >of years and understands the issues thoroughly is more than sufficiently
> > >qualified and verified to climb the ladder as high as they would want to
> > >go.
> > >
> > >2. At Large Directors must be able to communicate with their electorate:
> > >This is vital, and would extend to candidates, who need access to the email
> > >addresses of those who contact them with questions during the election
> > >cycle. The structure of the message Boards last time denied that ability,
> > >it
> > >was a frustration on both sides and it showed.
> > >
> > >Finally, I am not avoiding Esther's question, but I'm still not sure
> > >whether
> > >I want anything more to do with ICANN. David Farrar makes some compelling
> > >arguments for working towards a successor agency, and he is by no means a
> > >radical. Can anybody convince me one way or the other?
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Joanna
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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