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Re: [ga] Bulk WHOIS Data Issue
O.K. Let's see. If you have the license plate number, you can look
up the owner. If you have the driver license number, you can look up
the owner. If you have the property address, you can look up the
owner. I'm not totally sure about SS number, but I wouldn't doubt if
a database is available on the net, as well. If you have the phone
number, even in some cases where they have not opted in, in TX, you can
look up the owner.
Are we getting bundled up in our socks over the confidentiality of the
Registrant of a domain name? Really? Well, let's not.
Is this other information comparable to the available information
about the registrant of a domain name? Is the Pope Catholic? Of course
it is! It is, indeed, the same kind of personal information one would
find about the owner of a license plate, driver license, etc.
However, my registration of a domain name is one heck of a lot more
trivial than my license plate, driver license, social security number
or the appraised value (yep, that's there, too) of my property.
I think some are hunting mosquitos with 00 buck shot rather than
living in the real world. There is no confidentially issue here which
will harelip the Governor, so let's move on.
Saturday, April 20, 2002, 6:26:27 PM, Cade,Marilyn S - LGA <mcade@att.com> wrote:
CMSL> Jeff, do elaborate on the differences on what is listed in a "white pages" listing and WHOIS.
CMSL> In white pages, name, address and telephone number is the typical listing. [unless there is an opt out, or situation Jeff described for Texas which requires opt in].
CMSL> What is the difference with WHOIS listings?
CMSL> -----Original Message-----
CMSL> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
CMSL> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:25 PM
CMSL> To: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA
CMSL> Cc: ga@dnso.org; Alexander Svensson; Dan Halloran; Louis Touton; Mike
CMSL> Palage; Antonio Harris; icann board address
CMSL> Subject: Re: [ga] Bulk WHOIS Data Issue
CMSL> Marilyn and all assembly members,
CMSL> Your of course very welcome Marilyn. It is very important that
CMSL> accurate information is decimated when making such comments
CMSL> or statements.
CMSL> In any event comparisons of a phone # listing and private information
CMSL> listed in WHOIS data are not really comparable, and therefore making
CMSL> such comparisons is felonious at best. Same of course is true with
CMSL> property ownership listings. Apples and tomatoes...
CMSL> Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:
>> Jeff, thanks for providing more accurate information about a practice in one state at least. I wasn't aware of that but I am sure that residents of Texas appreciate it! Marilyn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 3:28 PM
>> To: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA
>> Cc: ga@dnso.org; Alexander Svensson; Dan Halloran; Louis Touton; Thomas
>> Roessler; Mike Palage; Antonio Harris
>> Subject: Re: [ga] Bulk WHOIS Data Issue
>>
>> Marilyn and all assembly members,
>>
>> Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:
>>
>> > For those who want to be "unlisted" in the telephone white pages listing in the U.S., they pay a special fee.
>>
>> This statement is incorrect of course. Some states, such as Texas where
>> I reside the situation is just the opposite. If you wish your phone number
>> to be listed in the white pages than you pay and additional monthly charge
>> that will appear on your phone bill every month. My personal Phone
>> # is NOT listed as I did not opt-in to have it listed. You may check
>> the Frisco Texas White pages to see for yourself of course.
>>
>> > There is no counterpart that I am aware of in the "yellow pages" which is businesses, institutions, organizations, and even individuals who advertise, who hold themselves out to communicate with
>> the public through this medium.
>> >
>> > We really don't know at this point FOR SURE how many registrants fit which category. I strongly suspect that at least 80% of .com; .net; .org; .info; .biz are businesses, organizations,
>> institutions, or entities/individuals who are buying names and holding them for resale/warehousing. It is unclear how many registrants are "individuals" in generic TLDs or in ccTLDS [Some ccTLDs
>> don't accept ind. registration/others do].
>> >
>> > In any case, an analysis, even rough, of this breakdown would be useful information, even if estimated.
>> >
>> > The WHOIS TF co-chairs have asked the registrar/registry constituency representatives in the TF how they might provide even roughly responsive answers/statistics. This is a work in progress. Do
>> not read into this request that the registries and registrars have agreed to any kind of analysis, only that that the request has been made inside the TF.
>> >
>> > Any analysis, or statistics would be greatly appreciated by the WHOIS TF as a more than useful data point... (s).
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: William X Walsh [mailto:william@wxsoft.info]
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 6:29 AM
>> > To: William S. Lovell
>> > Cc: ga@dnso.org
>> > Subject: Re: [ga] Bulk Whois Data Issue
>> >
>> > Wednesday, Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 9:10:37 PM, William S. Lovell wrote:
>> >
>> > > Absurdity reaches new heights. One can also keep one's name out of the
>> > > phone book by not having a phone, or out of the Motor Vehicle Department's
>> > > lists by having neither a driver's license nor a car. But both of those
>> > > entities
>> > > have procedures for protecting their user's privacy. The Internet, or indeed
>> > > a domain name, are rapidly becoming necessary parts of doing business, and
>> > > indeed a healthy means for self expression by private citizens. To
>> > > suggest that
>> > > one must necessarily give away all rights of privacy just because some
>> > > registrar
>> > > sees yet one more way to squeeze out a buck is unconscionable.
>> >
>> > Just as there are examples supporting your view, there are better
>> > ones supporting the opposite view.
>> >
>> > In the US, every state makes property ownership information available
>> > as a matter of public record. They are required by statute to provide
>> > that information in bulk format for a fee, and there are companies out
>> > there who specialize in providing that data in a searchable and
>> > downloadable database format.
>> >
>> > You cannot own property without having it listed publicly. If you
>> > want to own it and protect your privacy, it is entirely up to you to
>> > do what is necessary to do that, by forming a shell company for
>> > instance.
>> >
>> > Access to those databases are not expensive at all, as a matter of
>> > fact.
>> >
>> > When you own property, people have the right to be able to get that
>> > information. The same with a domain name, which is the internet form
>> > of "property."
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> > William X Walsh <william@wxsoft.info>
>> > --
>> > Save Internet Radio!
>> > CARP will kill Webcasting!
>> > http://www.saveinternetradio.org/
>> >
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CMSL> Regards,
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