Re: [ga] Re: [icann-europe] ICANN, VRSN, ORG: please, let get real.

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

Dear Friends and Arch enemies,

This is the most real and important thread that you will ever read.

I have little to add except that for those of you who think this is 
bullshit think real hard.

ICANN is the bullshit.  

All countries and/or large groups should have parallel and enthusiastic 
systems that are more secure and more hearty than this toy feeble system.

If you are the kind of gal that likes not to wear underwear, that is cool 
but if you get in an accident (and the DoC is surely headed for one) it is 
really embarassing!

I suggest everyone start wearing their BVDs now.

We are doing real work in real time with a few ccTLDs and any contribution 
along these lines will help millions.

Eric

> Dear Joe,
> thank you for your comment. [Also thanks for a positive private support
> by  a certain person wanting not to be disclosed - unexpected and
> impresive!].
> 
> At 19:54 27/04/02, Joe Baptista wrote:
>>I shall refer to these people as twits - which in internet parlance
>>means a user who is not an internet newbie (first timer) - so they know
>>their way around the internet - but the problem is they have no idea
>>what it is they are doing - however they don't know any better and have
>>a false sense of security - etc. etc.
> 
> The real problem is that they know how to run the network for
> themselves,  their community (some refer to it as the ICANN community,
> ie the JonPostel  legacy network community). They had no experience
> about operating it for  other. And they are foreign to international
> network system business  development.
> 
>>An example of a twit is ester dyson, and the press who claim she is a
>>guru.  as well as people like chris wilkinson who is willing to play
>>cards with simms - icanns man in charge of putting out fires.
> 
> I think Sims will be recorded as a legal-collar e-terrorist. But why to
>  blame him? he is certainly a reasonable pragmatic brillant guy. He
> learned  networks from Jon Postel, discovered the opportunity and keeps
> it going.  The problem is that Jon Postel is not here anymore to tell
> him what has  changed and what cannot be done in the old ways anymore.
> He is a lawyer not  a worldwide network manager.
> 
> Esther is trying her best the same with what she knows and experienced.
> I  never met Wilkinson yet. But I have no doubt he tries to to his
> best. We  all have different experiences. There are three kinds of us:
> the religious  (like Stuart), those who listen (as most of us) and
> those who dont listen.  Unfortunately religious and deafs are the
> governing minority.
> 
>>This claim is nonsense.  The CIA as usual has no clue.  All it takes is
>>an attack on the root servers to call it lights out.
> 
> Joe, what would be of real interest would be for you to list all what
> the  CIA can do or know about a given country in using the root server
> system.  Kill access to it. Reroute calls to sites. Intercept mails
> etc. is obvious.  I am more interested in the day to day log analysis:
> did you ever tried to  link your log files to some event (economic
> growth, vacations, tension  etc...). I am sure that one good analyst
> can learn a lot about a country  this way.
> 
>>On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>>Well Jefsey it feels like the Titanic to me too.  But look at the
>>comedy - when it blows up it won't affect us.  But it will affect the
>>europeans.
> 
> everyone alike. Except open systems, China and friends. Except my
> French  nationwide access as it may instantly rely on our roots. We
> also can offer  a service in a matter of hours. But... we currently
> lack the ressources to  support the whole thing.
> 
>> > Point 2. The only solution we have IMHO is :
>> > 1. to accept that we are in a general critical situation, so we stop
>> > babbling and we think very clearly.
>>
>>no let it crash.  ICANN is irrelevant to the big picture.  Just sit
>>back and watch the worlds bureacrats scramble when the irrelevant non
>>existent icann monopoly blows up.  and the result is a very broken and
>>vulnerable intranet called icann/doc/ntia.  i won't be affected.  most
>>of europe will.
> 
> Joe, we are talking about world's economy. Job, people, etc... Gulf War
> and  Sept 11 shown us the impact on our lifes. What you propose would
> be a  nightmare. Again consensuses are based on Trust. Kill the trust
> in the USG  system and you kill the world.
> 
>>the dns as you know is a collection of objects which reference
>>resources - a master index which can be used by many authors to archive
>>and reference information resources independently and in associated
>>communities.
> 
> I am sorry, here I part from you. Please reread it as it is today. The 
> system is the "whereis". Initially it was understood as a database. But
> it  is really a non optimized search protocol. The system is not
> hierachical  (top down) it is bootom up (progressive filters).
> 
>>the commercialization of the usg internet has been it's death.
> 
> Let say Jon Postel ran his network. They did not catch up yet with most
> of  the implications of operating for others. And they have no idea
> about how  to develop it commericaly.
> 
> BTW this is not a simple thing, IMHO.
> 
>> > a) the ITU/T, as an international structure, is nation oriented,
>> > while the TCP/IP distributed networks are multinational by essence.
>> > b) the ITU/T is operators oriented: the TCP/IP distributed
>> > architecture makes every participant to be technically an operator.
>> > We would overwhelm the ITU/T with thousands of small members.
>>
>>exactly.  and the culture at the ITU is all wrong.  the itu like most
>>bureacratic organizations works on the principles of paranoia.  if they
>>can't control the process they would rather have nothing to do with it.
> 
> This is the bargain. Either concertation or nothing. Not out any other 
> paranoia, but because it will not work. Now, if ITU/T wants to take it
> the  way you say, the universal network system will meet real problems
> as  telephone under IP adn Wi-Fi will develop. You cannot stop the tide
> of the  market.
> 
>> > A DN is NOT anything else than a mnemonic pointer to the IP address
>> > of a network privately owned resource (a "cyber domain": site,
>> > equipment, etc..). The only duty of a DN is to correctly and stably
>> > point to that IP.
>>
>>It's just a bit more then that.  It represents a means of indexing
>>uRL's - information - across the internet.  In the old days domain
>>names were not up for grabs (commercialized) and the links between
>>resources were much more stable then they are today.
> 
> This is what I say: URLs are alphanumeric pointers. The whole problem 
> results from ACPA. Let kill that  possiblity of transfering DNs and you
>  clean the situation. BTW cybersquatters are doing it: they dont renew
> 
>> > This is why we have to stop these chit chat about .org and new TLDs,
>> > and WLS. We have to openly discuss with Stratton Sclavos and the DoC
>> >  ...
>>No no - Jefsey - much better to just let it die and collapse.  Less
>>energy involved.
> 
> I am not sure about this. At least until we have not set-up a
> contingency  plan. My contingency plan is a "parallel network"
> (Intlnet), ie a parallel  type of application with popular support. So
> Intlnet can develop in  parallel, based on different commecial/usage
> concepts and standard, and  addressing a different market, so there is
> no conflict (unless the ICANN  wants it in colliding). I just propose
> to resume what we initially did,  before we left ARPANET by its own. If
> the ICANN's Internet meet real  difficulties, or if the USG has to
> become serious about protecting the US  interests in taking the root
> over, the backup would be ready.
> 
> jfc
> 
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