[ga] STOP Jeff Williams !!!

[Grégoire Seither <gregoire@pobox.com>]

Can someone please tell Mister Williams to stop sending unsollicited mail to
people - I used to subscribe to the DNSO list, but have since then
unsubscribed, but Mister Williams has obviously no knowledge of how a
mailing lists works and keeps me in his cc: list.

I have been sending him polite messages asking to be removed from his spam,
but to no avail. 

Thabk you

> From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> Organization: INEGroup Spokesman
> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:27:41 -0700
> To: Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com>
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> Subject: Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] ICANN Reform: Role of ITU
> 
> Kent and all,
> 
> Kent Crispin wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 07:18:01PM -0400, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School
>> of Law wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>> 
>>>> At 01:46 PM 4/30/2002 -0400, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> We are not limited to those choices.  Having ICANN devolve and share power
>>>>> regionally and functionally produces a better outcome to either of these
>>>>> Hobson's choices.
>>>> 
>>>> This line of thinking continues to ignore two, fundamental constraints:
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  The hierarchical nature of the DNS requires a single, logical control
>>>> over allocation/assignment policy.  Any effort to "devolve and share power"
>>>> must be designed in a way that is compatible with this technical
>>>> constraint.  However no proposal for this has been put forward to permit
>>>> honest, diligent analysis of its operational feasibility.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> The above statement is a total falsehood and self-evidently wrong as it
>>> is trivial to design systems that preserve the uniqueness of TLDs.
>>> Preserving uniqueness is a bookkeeping job.
>> 
>> Froomkin has rather missed the point.  The bookkeeping is only
>> the tiniest part of of the job.  The big part of the job is persuading
>> people to accept your bookkeeping as authoritative.
> 
> And your right of course Kent.  And as well, this IS exactly part of what
> Michael IS addressing.  So I would say that it is YOU that missed the point
> entirely..  Not surprising though...
> 
>> 
>> 
>>>  It's important, but need have
>>> no other function attached to it - certainly not deciding on the semantic
>>> contect of the TLD, or even who gets it, once basic assignment mechanisms
>>> are in place.  The issue is not 'design' but political will, or lack there
>>> 
>>> Here are simplistic models to illustrate this point.  Moving from the
>>> baby-talk to real life is left as an exercise for readers.
>> 
>> Anyone who has observed a child grow knows that moving from baby talk to
>> real life is one of life's big challenges.  That Froomkin fails to
>> understand this is completely characteristic, unfortunately.
> 
> Uh huh, well Kent, yet again your well known and characteristic snide
> attitude towards Michael amongst a long list of others is showing here
> rather obviously...  Hence it is difficult to believe or take seriously
> your comment here...  Again not surprising...
> 
>> 
>> 
>> [Baby-talk deleted.]
>> 
>>> PS. to Alejandro: beware people making comments to you in private they
>>> don't want to see in private, especially if you agree with them. It's the
>>> classic way for people to butter up the powerful in the hopes of future
>>> favors, however subliminal the effect (and, yes, here you as the Board
>>> Vice Chair are indeed the powerful in this case, since ICANN stands as the
>>> chokepoint over a valuable resource).
>>> 
>>> Note: I had until recently killfiled Dave Crocker.  This post reminds me
>>> why I did it.  And I think, after this, I'll put him back.  A response
>>> below.  I won't respond to further messages from him, because I won't read
>>> them.
>> 
>> Thus speaks a paragon of openness.
> 
> This is your only good and valid point in this exchange, Kent...
> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and you will be
>> Technical Support Manager, ICANN            lonesome."
>> crispin@icann.org,kent@songbird.com                    -- Mark Twain
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 121k members/stakeholdes strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
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> 
> 
> 

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