Re: [ga] NC BS

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

James and all assembly members,

  I have heard unofficially but directly the answer is yes to this question.
>;)
But that's not surprising given Marilyn's lobbyist activities and position...
(More comments/remarks/observations below)

James Love wrote:

> Marilyn, are you talking directly to NTIA about the future of ICANN?
> Jamie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>
> To: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin@law.miami.edu>;
> <DannyYounger@cs.com>
> Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [ga] NC BS
>
> : I apologize for my empty post... I meant to include a clarification...
> which I'll do here.
> :
> : The topic of the role of the GA was raised by both Thomas and by me
> earlier and the chair added it to the agenda.  There was a brief discussion,
> with more to come in next call.  There was also a discussion about the
> emergence of other constitutiencies in a different but related section.
> Finally, I have heard from several non commercial users that they aren't
> really sure that they have a constituency at ICANN.

  There are may stakeholders that do not have a constituency and have
not been "Allowed" to have one by the ICANN BOD and staff as well
as the NC.  The IDNO comes to mind some time ago along these
lines for instance.

> I'm very interested in
> hearing from those of you in the non commercial constituency about whether
> you see enough diversity that you would support a situation which segregates
> non commercial users, individuals, and then advocacy organizations, such as
> those presently engaged in the non commercial constituency.

  As is a part of the official record the GA as well as the NCC have
voiced their desire for an individuals constituency.  (See relevant
DNSO GA and NCC archives for further information Marilyn)

>
> :
> :  Michael, I am a little mystified by your individual comment and ask for
> clarification... Perhaps I am mistaken that you are active in the non
> commercial constituency. Where is the "none of us"... coming from... I could
> be wrong of course... and perhaps you aren't part of the non-comm
> constituency. That would then make it clearer what your personal concerns
> are.
> :
> : I make one other point which I'd be interested in your views on.  Many of
> the constituencies, if not all... [I actually think it is all, but don't
> know about the registries] allow participation for non members.

  Yes but non-members are not allowed to vote so therefore their
participation really counts for nothing of substance and therefore
also do not have a voice and a vote in decisions regarding DNSO
or other ICANN related policy decisions as is required under
the White Paper and the MoU.

> Most of all
> constitutions meetings are open and are attended by observers and interested
> parties.

  Tell that to Vany.  As you may recall Stuart Lynn denied or ask Vany
to leave a particular meeting in Accra...  Also documented on the NCC
and the DNSO GA list archives as well....

>
> :
> : We didn't enough about this issue in the GA discussion, but you might
> draft a comment about what you think the GA should b e if you don't like
> this formulation and forward it via the chair/alt. chair.
> :
> : This is work in progress.

  Yes Thomas, Alexander, and the NC are certainly a "Work in progress".
But that's not what is needed in the GA or the NC.  We the GA members
need and deserve an NC and Chair and alt Chair of the GA that are a
finished work with some polish and specific experience...  Not a dog
and pony show or a Ringling bros. MC of ceremonies...

>
> :
> : -----Original Message-----
> : From: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
> : [mailto:froomkin@law.miami.edu]
> : Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:29 PM
> : To: DannyYounger@cs.com
> : Cc: ga@dnso.org
> : Subject: Re: [ga] NC BS
> :
> :
> : that would mean....none of us, right?
> :
> : On Wed, 15 May 2002 DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> :
> : > For those of you who were sleeping, the Names Council has passed this --
> : > "Recommendation 24 - general assembly. The gTLD policy development body
> : > should have a general assembly whose prime role is to provide a forum
> for
> : > broad inter-constituency exchange. Consequently, membership should be
> limited
> : > to the agreed stakeholders who are represented in the policy development
> : > body."
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