Re: [ga] To: ga@dnso.org

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Peter and all assembly members,

Peter Dengate Thrush wrote:

> Have to disagree with Karl and Bret on this one. Despite the tone of Joe's
> message the point is generally correct . ( Of course, I can make no comment
> on all the references to US law, and US institutions, which are analogies
> largely lost on we non-US list members.)
>
> But attempts to make people, yes, including  Board members, to think and
> discuss in public are wrong headed, and doomed to failure if attempted.
>
> Wrong headed because people need a safe space to think out loud, test
> hypotheses and rehearse arguments. Its also good for developing the
> necessary interpersonal relations on which most real progress depends.

  Do these BoD members not feel safe amongst their own "Public"
or Stakeholders/users?  If not, than perhaps their minds or level of
paranoia is to high.  So no the idea of open discussions and
sharing of ideas an thoughts is a healthy thing and engenders
broader trust...

>
>
> Doomed, because people deprived of this facility soon engineer their own.

  People engineer their own anyway and than get too dependent upon those
at times.  So, the burden of leadership is high.  It should be!

>
> For example does anyone doubt that much of the board's work gets done at the
> dinner before a board meeting?

  I hope not.  That is not an appropriate venue for doing such work of
a public trust.  I know I sure don't do this sort of thing...

> I don't say that they come to the meeting
> with minds made up, but a lot of work will have been done in private.

  Agreed in private with themselves.  I don't want nor do I think
that any BoD member of especially a public trust should be
discussing issues that effect that public trust and it's stakeholders
just amongst themselves.  I DO believe that each BoD member
should make independent decisions and evaluations, and get
their ideas from the very stakeholders/users of that public trust
mainly if not exclusively from those same stakeholders/usres to
which their decision will or may effect.

>
>
> By all means, criticise if you wish the appointment of this board, and their
> election processes or lack of them, but hold out for a principle that would
> make a board effective.

  I just did and I have a number of times, as have Karl, Andy, Jamie,
and many many others on this subject area.  BTW, we just in this
exchange demonstrated how open exchange and discussion
can be used and work...

>
>
> Regards
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl Auerbach" <karl@CaveBear.com>
> To: "Bret Fausett" <fausett@lextext.com>
> Cc: "DNSO General Assembly" <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [ga] To: ga@dnso.org
>
> > On Tue, 28 May 2002, Bret Fausett wrote:
> >
> > > At the same time, the greater ICANN community would have had a deeper
> > > understanding of these perspectives had the Board released an audio
> > > recording of its discussions. It would have allowed for more informed
> input
> > > in response to the paper you expect might be released later this week.
> >
> > Indeed.  On this matter, the DNSO Names Council - which records its
> > meetings and publishes those recordings to the public - is standing head
> > and shoulders above ICANN's board.
> >
> > Joe Sim's royal definition of "transparency" ranks only marginally above
> > Marie Antoinette's famous plan to alleviate hunger
> >
> > Nearly two years ago I defined ICANN's obligation to be open and
> > transparent rather more broadly in my campaign platform:
> > http://www.cavebear.com/icann-board/platform.htm#open-trans
> >
> > I find Sim's assertion that the lack of votes obviates the need for
> > minutes to be absurd - the ingredients and recipe that are used to produce
> > a decision are as much a component of open/transparent operation as the
> > the final decision itself.
> >
> > --karl--
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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