Re: [ga] Karl's latest

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Michael and all assembly members, stakeholders or other interested parties,

  Good questions here Michael.  I am sure you don't expect a public
answer to them.  Not do I.  And I doubt that anyone else does either.

  It seems rather clear, as it has for sense Karl's election to the
ICANN BoD that a number of the Original Interim BoD
members, their selected legal counsel, as well as some of the
ICANN staff members are now and were not in the past,
all together happy with Karl being elected.  Same seems to
be true of Andy as well, all be it to a lesser extent.  Hence
seems to yet again be the word and tone of Joe's post
to this forum and it's obvious attempt to cast Karl in particular
in a negative light.

  To me anyway, and from what I can gather, Joe amongst
several sr. staff members at ICANN, are trying to use
Karl and Andy as a whipping post for not having elections
for Bod members.  I also gather that a large number of
other stakeholders/participants also have come to this
or a very similar conclusion as well.

  My questions than would be: when if ever, is the DOC/NTIA
going to step in sufficiently and either correct this problem.
or actually consider a Rebid of the ICANN contracts? Or,
when and how does the DOC/NTIA expect the now third
attempt at ICANN reform, namely the so called "Blueprint",
now aptly dubbed the "Black-and-Blueprint" to be open
and transparent to any and all stakeholders/users/participants
now and in the future?

Michael Froomkin wrote:

> That's interesting.  Are you saying that Karl's claim he was NOT
> provided with the Board members disclosure forms is false?   Certainly
> the allegation that a member of the Conflicts committee was never given
> the data to his job is quite a serious charge.
>
> Similarly, if it fell between the cracks, the request for copies some 6+
> weeks ago has allegedly not been answered.  Can you confirm or deny
> this?
>
> If these allegations are correct, they would seem to cast some doubt on
> ICANN's bona fides -- or its lawyers' ability to do their jobs.
>
> PS.  Recently, you have often said that you work for ICANN at "cost".
> Please define this term in the law firm context.  Do you mean "expenses"
> (i.e. out of pocket costs)?  "Costs" as defined in the UK (as it would
> be set by a taxing master)?  Or some other measure which includes
> payment for your time -- which you can set any number you like subject
> to what the market will bear.   How does "cost" as you are using it here
> compare to the rate that you charge corporate clients?  Or your
> discounted rate for clients who are able to negotiate discounts?.
>
> Joe Sims wrote:
>
> >  Karl's latest posting makes you wonder whether the self-imposed
> > responsibility for saving the Internet from the barbarians has finally
> > gotten to him (and even to his lawyers, if they in fact gave him the
> > strange advice he says they did).
> >
> > What is most revealing, however, in this latest message is his obvious
> > contempt for his fellow Board members, who according to him are
> > hapless and helpless, in the steely grip of a domineering staff and
> > unable (some, according to Karl, because English is not their native
> > language) to get the real truth of what is going on.  Karl, by
> > comparison, is a self-described big-time player, testifying before
> > Congress and meeting with important people in Washington.  His
> > comparison in the last hearing to Senators and himself as being
> > similar because both were elected was another manifestation of this
> > self-delusion, which is both amazing and a little sad.
> >
> > In fact, if Karl ever actually spent any time with his fellow
> > directors from outside the United States, he would discover that most
> > of them speak considerably better English than he (or I) do, as if
> > that had anything to do with their critical faculties.  Indeed, the
> > personal accomplishments of Alejandro Pisanty, or Nii Quaynor, or Ivan
> > Campos, or for that matter Vint Cerf and the rest of the ICANN
> > directors, compare quite favorably to Karl's career record of
> > accomplishment, I would guess.  And if he ever bothered to actually
> > debate the merits of issues with them -- which he does not, because,
> > of course, he knows he already has the delivered wisdom -- he would
> > know how hard they have struggled with these complicated issues.  If
> > he ever bothered to listen, he would have heard his fellow elected
> > directors explain why, for example, they thought that online elections
> > were not a good way to select ICANN Board members at this time -- but
> > since Karl knows better, he does not listen or dismisses these views
> > as the result of "fear of the US."   But Karl tells us later that
> > ICANN is headed for a "collision" with the US because it is failing to
> > comply with its obligations (by which he means elections).  Which is
> > it:  fear of the US is buffaloing people like Ivan Campos and Nii
> > Quaynor into opposing elections even though they really think they are
> > a good idea, or the US is going to force ICANN to, in Karl's words,
> > "comport with their obligations?"  Like many owners of delivered
> > wisdom, Karl is not troubled by internal inconsistency.
> >
> > I invite readers to review the GAC Statement on Evolution and Reform
> > issued at Bucharest.  The US, unlike Karl, was present for an intense
> > 2 1/2 day meeting that produced a detailed statement basically
> > endorsing the Blueprint for Reform adopted by the Board.  There were
> > some dissents or disassociations, like the ITU, but none from the US.
> > If we are headed for a collision, where are the signs?  Ah, perhaps
> > from his meetings with important people in Washington, but if so, who
> > are they and why are they not speaking out?  Could it be we have a
> > transparency issue with Karl?  Horrors! Or perhaps he mostly has a
> > hearing problem -- zealots frequently hear what they want to hear, and
> > only that.
> >
> > The real issue is not public input into ICANN; there is no dispute
> > from anyone that there must be effective mechanisms for the general
> > public, including individual users, to make their views known and to
> > participate if they choose to in the policy development process.
> > Karl's position, and that of some others, is that there is only one
> > possible acceptable way for that to happen -- by electing directors.
> > The views of many others are different -- that there are numerous ways
> > it can happen, and elections (at least today) are not the best of
> > those options.  This may be an issue that reasonable people can differ
> > on, but to Karl, those who disagree could only do so because they are
> > evil, or inept, or somehow constrained in their ability to think
> > because English is not their native language.
> >
> > This is either utter nonsense or the ramblings of a zealot.  In either
> > case, it deserves the weight that it is getting.  Karl asked to be a
> > member of the ICANN Board; nobody dragooned him.  Once given that
> > responsibility, he has chosen to ignore his fiduciary obligations to
> > ICANN and to this fellow Board members, and to use that platform to
> > feed his ego and advance a largely incoherent personal agenda.  Being
> > an ICANN director has given him prominence and attention, and
> > apparently that is what he wanted, since he has not even tried to do
> > anything iwith his fellow Board members that would possibly advance
> > the cause he says he espouses.  He has never missed a Senate or House
> > hearing, but he now excuses his lack of attendence at one of the most
> > important ICANN Board meetings ever on the fact that it was
> > inconvenient for him (as compared, one supposes, to those other Board
> > members from around the world that were able to adjust their schedules
> > to enable their attendence).  Other excuses for other absences were
> > that he was up late and fell asleep, and that he couldn't get the
> > phone to work.  In America, every person apparently has the right to
> > be irresponsible, but for heaven's sake, the rest of us don't have to
> > pretend that it is an attractive character trait.
> >
> > Karl is part of the old ICANN -- an organization that was as much a
> > magnet for every person with grandiose ideas about global democracy as
> > it was a serious working body.  That old ICANN is gone -- and is being
> > replaced with an organization that still adheres to the core values of
> > openness and transparency, of broad public input and participation,
> > and of making policy by consensus whenever possible, but does so with
> > the knowledge that it still has to all work.  For people like Karl,
> > the new ICANN may not have quite the magnetic attraction of the old,
> > but that is not a bad thing.  It should help get the decisions that
> > must be made done in a timely and effective way.  And that will be a
> > good thing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Sims
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