Re: [ga] Re: "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest." ??

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Don and all assembly members,

Don Brown wrote:

> All you guys are .25 cent on-line lawyers. Spare us, please. Karl has
> the extra 4 yrs of college and admittance to the bar, to decide what
> is most topical and appropriate.

  You have already been spared!  >;) Some of us including myself, and
I know Jim have more than just 4 year degrees as if that is really
relevant, which it isn't...

>
>
> It doesn't take an additional four year of college to determine that
> ICANN might just suck.  Excuse my french . . .  The truth will set you
> free . . .

  Now you've go it Don!  ...  >;)  I am no longer wondering as I had been
when we would be getting some truth out of the ICANN BOD, staff and
other few fellow travelers...  I know that we shall not... Karl's court
case victory proved that if nothing else...

>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Friday, August 16, 2002, 8:03:48 PM, Jim Fleming <JimFleming@ameritech.net> wrote:
> JF> Can you point to the positive, pro-active, actions that Karl has taken since elected to the Board ?
>
> JF> Has Karl prepared a proposed budget for next year ?
>
> JF> When was the last time Karl was in the ICANN offices and reviewed the employee time records ?
>
> JF> Despite a Directors disagreements with an organization, they still have to bear full responsibility for
> JF> their actions from the day they become a Director to the day they are no longer a Director.
>
> JF> It appears as though ICANN will clean house and get new Directors and new Staff. In order to
> JF> attract quality Directors and Staff, revenues have to be arranged to support payment of quality people.
> JF> It makes no sense to have Directors who are never in the ICANN offices. It makes no sense to
> JF> have Staff who do not report to work, or report on their progress. The Directors have (or had)
> JF> a fiduciary responsibility to make it all happen...has that happened ?
>
> JF> Jim Fleming
> JF> 2002:[IPv4]:000X:03DB:...IPv8 is closer than you think...
> JF> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> JF> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
>
> JF> ----- Original Message -----
> JF> From: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> JF> To: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> JF> Cc: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@Ameritech.Net>; <yjpark@myepark.com>; <vivek@vivekdurai.com>; "Vittorio Bertola" <vb@vitaminic.net>;
> JF> "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; "Kristy McKee" <k@widgital.com>; <karl@cavebear.com>; "Joop Teernstra"
> JF> <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; "Joe Baptista" <baptista@dot-god.com>; "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>; <jefsey@jefsey.com>;
> JF> <james.love@cptech.org>; <j.oppenheimer@att.net>; <icheckemail@indiatimes.com>; <ellen@rony.com>; "Eric Dierker" <Eric@hi-tek.com>
> JF> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:45 PM
> JF> Subject: Re: "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest." ??
>
> >> No Jeff - he (Karl)  is bound by a confidentiality agreement between him and
> >> the Board, and  I am sure of that. So Karl cannot legally disclose the
> >> contents of any board actions or its finances or those actions of ICANN
> >> management under penalty of a civil suit.
> >>
> >> The problem is that ICANN would be really hard pressed to actually get any
> >> money out of the suit, but they could under the California Bar's new ethics
> >> sensitivity, file a complaint that he was unethical and that might be an
> >> issue. Either way, I would not be surprised to hear Karl say that he would
> >> not disclose the contents of the financial records that he was to review as
> >> a Director.
> >>
> >> Todd
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> >> To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> >> Cc: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@ameritech.net>; <yjpark@myepark.com>;
> >> <vivek@vivekdurai.com>; "Vittorio Bertola" <vb@vitaminic.net>; "Richard
> >> Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; "Kristy McKee" <k@widgital.com>;
> >> <karl@cavebear.com>; "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; "Joe
> >> Baptista" <baptista@dot-god.com>; "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>;
> >> <jefsey@jefsey.com>; <james.love@cptech.org>; <j.oppenheimer@att.net>;
> >> <icheckemail@indiatimes.com>; <ellen@rony.com>; "Eric Dierker"
> >> <Eric@hi-tek.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:10 PM
> >> Subject: Re: "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest." ??
> >>
> >>
> >> > Todd and all,
> >> >
> >> > todd glassey wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Response inline below - Karl - please feel free to correct me if I am
> >> wrong
> >> > > anywhere here.
> >> > >
> >> > > Todd
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> >> > > To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> >> > > Cc: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@ameritech.net>; <yjpark@myepark.com>;
> >> > > <vivek@vivekdurai.com>; "Vittorio Bertola" <vb@vitaminic.net>; "Richard
> >> > > Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; "Kristy McKee"
> >> <k@widgital.com>;
> >> > > <karl@cavebear.com>; "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; "Joe
> >> > > Baptista" <baptista@dot-god.com>; "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>;
> >> > > <jefsey@jefsey.com>; <james.love@cptech.org>; <j.oppenheimer@att.net>;
> >> > > <icheckemail@indiatimes.com>; <ellen@rony.com>; "Karl Auerbach"
> >> > > <karl@cavebear.com>
> >> > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 6:19 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest." ??
> >> > >
> >> > > > Todd and all,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >   I believe that what you suggest is exactly what Karl is doing now
> >> > > > with the financial records he is recieving from ICANN as the
> >> > > > legal action he took required ICANN to provide...
> >> > >
> >> > > I dont think that Karl can legally disclose anything he is exposed to in
> >> > > confidence as a board memeber unless he sees something that he knows is
> >> an
> >> > > illegality.
> >> >
> >> >   I believe that he actually can legally.  None the less Todd, Karl will
> >> > not be a member of the BOD much longer...  Hence this may be a moot
> >> > point...
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > What I want is a full-on audit capable of catching any illegality or
> >> > > contrdictions in its operations, since the organization (as far as I can
> >> > > tell) has failed under the Laws of California to operate itself in
> >> concert
> >> > > with its charter and original by-laws that were necessary to obtain the
> >> NTIA
> >> > > contract. What this means is that ICANN either made promises to the
> >> Federal
> >> > > Government in order to beawarded the NTIA contract that they allegedly
> >> have
> >> > > not kept, and that they are now voting to eliminate from the by laws to
> >> > > permanently silence that requirement. But from all I can see, a
> >> concerted
> >> > > effort to actually accomplish that would be fraud and since it would
> >> take
> >> > > many people within ICANN to pull that off and they are across State
> >> Lines,
> >> > > this becomes a Federal Matter for the FBI and takes on a real ugly set
> >> of
> >> > > possibilities.
> >> > >
> >> > > Before we get to a Qui Tam action against ICANN on the behalf of the US
> >> > > Domain Owners, I think an end-to-end audit by a real world professional
> >> > > auditor (KPMG, E&Y, D&T, or PWC) should be done and presented as a
> >> public
> >> > > document to NTIA and NIST to document ICANN's operations under the NTIA
> >> > > contract. Further I bet Senator Burns office would like a copy too! My
> >> gut
> >> > > level feeling is that this audit might send a number of people running
> >> for
> >> > > cover.
> >> > >
> >> > > So that's my point. What I want is a real end-to-end SAS70 compliant
> >> audit
> >> > > for ICANN and it needs to happen now.
> >> >
> >> >   I see your point here now clearly, and agree with it as well.  Again
> >> though,
> >> > none the less this can be done at a not to distant later date as well
> >> > depending on what Karls data shows, and can be found if he
> >> > wishes to do so...
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > todd glassey wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Actually folks - this is closer than you think to the reality but
> >> what's
> >> > > > > funny is that ICANN is not really NPO. Its just not supposed to show
> >> a
> >> > > > > profit on paper, but I assure you the business of serving names and
> >> the
> >> > > > > people writing the rules for it really needs an end-to-end financial
> >> > > audit.
> >> > > > > My feeling is that ICANN's paperwork processes may make Enron's look
> >> > > like a
> >> > > > > joke.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > But hey - only an Audit would tell, Eh? So why don't we demand one?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Todd
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@ameritech.net>
> >> > > > > To: <yjpark@myepark.com>; <vivek@vivekdurai.com>; "Vittorio Bertola"
> >> > > > > <vb@vitaminic.net>; "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>;
> >> > > "Richard
> >> > > > > Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; "Kristy McKee"
> >> > > <k@widgital.com>;
> >> > > > > <karl@cavebear.com>; "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>;
> >> "Joe
> >> > > > > Baptista" <baptista@dot-god.com>; "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>;
> >> > > > > <jefsey@jefsey.com>; <james.love@cptech.org>;
> >> <j.oppenheimer@att.net>;
> >> > > > > <icheckemail@indiatimes.com>; <ellen@rony.com>;
> >> <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> >> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 5:42 AM
> >> > > > > Subject: "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest." ??
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc10/msg04998.html
> >> > > > > > From: Karl Auerbach <karl@cavebear.com>
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest."
> >> > > > > > ========
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Have you ever heard the comment, "Do not judge a book...by it's
> >> cover"
> >> > > ?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Do you really think the people behind ICANN have any interest in
> >> > > "serving
> >> > > > > the public" ?
> >> > > > > > ...have you noticed how they are always at the head of any line to
> >> the
> >> > > > > buffet ?
> >> > > > > > ...and there is no food left for the public...once they have eaten
> >> > > their
> >> > > > > fill...
> >> > > > > > ...follow the money...it comes from the public and does not
> >> return...
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Have you considered an approach where you face the facts that
> >> ICANN
> >> > > has
> >> > > > > > nothing to do with "serving the public" ?...just imagine they are
> >> a
> >> > > > > private club...that
> >> > > > > > serves the people who choose to join...who knows ?....maybe ICANN
> >> will
> >> > > > > convert
> >> > > > > > to for-profit and go for an IPO...would the "public" be served by
> >> > > being
> >> > > > > allowed to
> >> > > > > > own part of the company ?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Jim Fleming
> >> > > > > > 2002:[IPv4]:000X:03DB:...IPv8 is closer than you think...
> >> > > > > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> >> > > > > > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Regards,
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> >> > > > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> >> > > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> >> > > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> >> > > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> >> > > > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
> >> > > > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > --
> >> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> >> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> >> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> >> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> >> > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> >> > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
> >> > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
>
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