Re: [ga] Censoring

[Don Brown <donbrown_l@inetconcepts.net>]

(many cc's trimmed)

There are not the same thing.

A person who yells fire in a theater is not protected by the first
amendment.

It's called taking personal responsibility for following the rules.
You didn't (and apparently are still resistive) and were appropriately
reminded by the list monitor.

Let's move on.


Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 10:03:10 PM, eric@hi-tek.com <eric@hi-tek.com> wrote:
ehtc> Roberto, AS, TR and other similar minded censor types,

ehtc> The cutting off of the at-large vote is a censorship of the voice of the
ehtc> people.
ehtc> The cutting off of the language used by a particular group is a censorship of
ehtc> the voice of the people.

ehtc> See how that is the same thing, a voice and a vote are the same when it comes
ehtc> down to it.
ehtc> What censorship on this list does is abetting the failure to hear the voices of
ehtc> the people.
ehtc> When done in general it is wrong, when done discriminatorily it is down right
ehtc> evil and must be fought at every turn.  You cannot get away from the fact that
ehtc> censorship is the same as book burning and every time we have seen that in
ehtc> history it has lead us down a road to massive human destruction.

ehtc> The gory details of the abuse of woman in previous regimes and some current is
ehtc> offensive and my language to describe it would turn your stomach, but the point
ehtc> is the message must be heard and cutting it off because it offends your
ehtc> sensibilities is wrong.  If Joe Sims would not have posted his message we would
ehtc> not know just how deranged and desperate ICANN leadership is getting. Although
ehtc> I found it offensive I learned a great deal from it.
ehtc> This is not a past time it is central to stakeholder and user representation in
ehtc> ICANN.
ehtc> Eric

ehtc> Kristy McKee wrote:

>> Roberto,
>>
>> 1)  Why not make the ga-abuse list public if you are going to selectively
>> forward postings from it?
>>
>> 2)  Please show three examples of Kent Crispin engaging in polite dialogue
>> on this list.  He posted recently, maybe you'll find those to your liking.
>>
>> I think our abuse archive in combination with the monitored list archive
>> proves he, like other members of ICANN receive special posting and
>> communication privileges which is unfair.
>>
>> 3)  In reference to Mr. Fleming's over
>> posting:  http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/mail58.html.
>>
>> That's three on the 16th and five on the 17th according to the dnso.org
>> time zone.  True Jim was in his own; but was it really so awful that it
>> should be included with a warning to someone whose post was one long
>> slander-fest?  And why did Mr. Sims not receive a specific warning?  Rather
>> his shocking message was lumped in as offensive as someone who posts more
>> than five messages per day.  What kind of message are you intending to
>> send, the one received?
>>
>> ~k
>>
>> At 04:54 PM 8/20/2002 +0000, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
>> >Kristy McKee wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>This was obviously sent in error.
>> >>
>> >>Jim Fleming has not posted more than five messages per day to the GA's
>> >>censored list.
>> >>
>> >>I apologize to Mr. Fleming for Mr. Alexander's oversight.
>> >
>> >To my count, we have the following between 13:55:32 and 21:00:41 (UTC-5)
>> >of Friday 2002-08-16:
>> >
>> >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg03436.html
>> >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg03438.html
>> >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg03440.html
>> >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg03446.html
>> >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg03447.html
>> >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg03449.html
>> >http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg03450.html
>> >
>> >Incidentally, about the other complaint of Kristy:
>> >>Alexander,
>> >>
>> >>You are completely out of control.
>> >>
>> >>If you are going to threaten to remove Mr. Baptistas rights; then you
>> >>better follow through with Joe Sims, Kent Crispin, etc.
>> >
>> >I did not see a post from Kent in ages, so this time he should be
>> >considered innocent.
>> >Maybe he has thought of posting an abusive message, but he did not ;>)
>> >
>> >As for Mr. Sims, no matter how shocking his posting has been (at least to
>> >me it was), if it was the only one for which there has been a complaint to
>> >the List Monitor it warranted a warning, which is exactly what Alexander
>> >has done.
>> >
>> >This said, I would not mind seeing apologies from Joe Sims and further
>> >contribution of his on the list.
>> >
>> >Now, can we all engage ourselves to keep more decorum, before this whole
>> >matter gets out of hand?
>> >(and possibly avoid shooting the list monitor every time he does
>> >something, in particular when he is acting in conformance with the rules,
>> >like in these cases)
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >Roberto
>> >
>> >
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