Re: [ga] YesNIC hoarding joesworld.com

[Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org>]

I've used this case to test-drive the newly introduced WHOIS problem
reporting form at www.internic.net.  Let's see what happens.

Regards,
-- 
Thomas Roessler				<roessler@does-not-exist.org>





On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 01:37:06PM -0700, Abraham Ingersoll wrote:
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Abraham Ingersoll <abe@dajoba.com>
> To: ga@dnso.org
> Subject: [ga] YesNIC hoarding joesworld.com 
> 
> 
> I don't know the proper venue for this issue. If someone knows of a better 
> venue, please privately reply with a pointer.
> 
> In short, YesNIC is the registrar for 'joesworld.com' yet their whois 
> servers denies the existance for the registration, returning "No match" 
> to 'joesworld.com' searches. 
> 
> (background: I've been trying for some time now - maybe a year or more - 
> to snag joesworld.com for a friend who runs a nonprofit that currently 
> lives @ joesworld.org)
> 
> When I recently asked YesNic about the whois discrepency, they threw me a 
> sales pitch!?! See email below.
> 
> I've responded to YesNic with a pointer to ICANN's accreditation 
> agreement, however, the accreditation agreement isn't clear on one key 
> point. The agreement says a registrar must provide whois data for any 
> active domain, but nowhere in the agreement does it define "active." 
> joesworld.com doesn't exist in the root zone files, but it's registered. 
> Does this mean the domain is "inactive" and that valid whois responses 
> don't need to be returned?? I think not, but alas, IANAL nor a ICANN 
> insider.
> 
> A helpful person has suggested I buy a 'SnapBack' on the domain from 
> snapdomains. Surely this can't be my best option? Is ICANN's domain-name 
> system so messed up that "accredited" registrars are simply hoarding good 
> names, hiding whois details and then offering to be a "broker" to 
> unsuspecting customers??
> 
> Ug.
> 
> Abe
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:17:54 +0900
> From: "Kang,In-Soon" <partner@yesnic.com>
> To: Abraham Ingersoll <abe@dajoba.com>
> Subject: Re: joesworld.com
> 
> Dear Abraham
> 
> Thank you for contacting YesNIC.
> I have been manage to contact the owner of 'joesworld.com' domain name but I am afraid that I am not allowed to release the contact information.
> However, the owner is my client and has appointed me as his agent to proceed this deal for the domain name with you.
> Hence, if you wish to purchase this domain name, please let me know how much you are willing to invest.
> Once you give me your proposed price, I will consult about it with my client and try to actively negotiate with you.
> Thank you.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Jason Lee
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Abraham Ingersoll" <abe@dajoba.com>
> To: <partner@yesnic.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:35 AM
> Subject: joesworld.com
> 
> 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I wish to buy 'joesworld.com', yet it seems that the domain is "taken", 
> > even though your whois system FAILS to provide contact information for the 
> > current owner.
> > 
> > What is wrong with your systems? Could you please release joesworld.com so 
> > that I may buy it?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Abraham Ingersoll <abe@dajoba.com>
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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