Re: [ga] Re: in response to a question about a letter regarding ICANN reform

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Allan and all assembly members,

Allan Liska wrote:

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> Hello Jeff,
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> Saturday, September 21, 2002, 6:55:36 PM, you wrote:
>
> JW>   Hummm?  I am at a loss as to how you came to such an incorrect
> JW> conclusion.  It is true that INEGroup has no ONE web site.  We
> JW> share web space with a number of or members that provide that
> JW> web presence.  I have posted those on a number of occasions to this
> JW> forum.  Perhaps you didn't take particular note...
>
> Incorrect, wrong, and a lie.  I searched through the GA archives this
> afternoon to see if you have ever provided a single URL that is
> representative of you, or the INEGroup, and there is none -- although,
> feel free to prove me wrong.

See again you silly fool, here is the NTIA listing yet again:
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/proposals/ineginc/ineginc.htm
You can also do a search on Wired, and INternet.com as well...

  So you are just again casting false aspersions a la WXW.

>  Also, if the INEGroup is an "INC", in
> other words a corporation, why do you not have a D&B number?  All
> corporations have a D&B number after all.

  No, INEGroup is not an INC.  Never has been.  INEG. is an INC. but
not listed with D&B purposefully.

>
>
> There are some urls mentioned, but these seem to be domains registered
> by other people to mock the INEGroup.

  Yes there are.  And your quite right they are mocking in nature.  Of course
there are many such Domains mocking ICANN as well.  So your point is?

>
>
> JW> and other ICANN forums, many have never physically met.  This in no
> JW> way indicates that they do not exist however.  To purport such is
> JW> frankly inconsistent with reality, George.
>
> No, but you are quite inconsistent with reality, Jeff.

  Where?  How?  In what way?  Please be specific...  Or are you just
spinning?  I think it is clear that you are spinning.  I think others here
are very well aware of that fact...

>
>
> >> 3. Who are some real members of INEGroup, excluding yourself?
>
> JW>   I don't know all of them of course.  But they are all registered with the
>
> JW> Federal election commission (FEC.gov) please submit, as I would have to
> JW> a FOIA request to obtain all of the members names and other non-private
> JW> and personal information.
>
> Why would they have to be registered with the FEC?

  They didn't, we did.  Read more carefully next time...

> That does not make
> any sense.  The FEC only oversees campaign finance, it does not
> oversee voters themselves.  When a voter registers it is at the state
> level only...each maintains an independent database of voters within
> that state.
>
> >>
> >> 4. Does INEGroup own any domain names? If so, provide 1 example.
>
> JW>   INEGroup is not a corporation, which I have informed all the members
> JW> of this the DNSO GA forum several times before.
>
> Interesting, and yet your sig says:
>
> "Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC."

  Yes it does.  But INEG Inc. is not associated with INEGroup, but
INEGRoup was taken from the company name.  Pretty simple...


>
>
> INC = incorporation.  You may be a non-profit corporation, but you are
> still a corporation.

  "I" and not a corporation.  INEGroup is not a corporation. INEG. INC.
IS.  Got it?!

>  Or, you are not a non-profit corporation, and
> your signature is incorrect, which is it?

  Neither.  Read again the sig. and than read above yet again.  Or are
you reading abilities limited?

>
>
> JW>  We are a legal
> JW> association,
> JW> like several of the BC's member organizations, the IETF and so forth...
> JW> All of our US members are registered voters in their respective states.
> JW> Most of our EU members are also registered voters, but not all.  As is
> JW> part of our charter I nor any specific member or directors may provide
> JW> any personal or private information regarding other members with our a
> JW> court order from the proper jurisdiction or similar in other countries
> JW> and/or jurisdictions.
>
> A legal association?  So, are you a BAR?  What do you mean by legal
> association -- one comprised of members of the legal community, or one
> that is legally registered.  I am pretty sure it is not the latter
> option...
>
> Also, what the hell does being a registered voter have to do with anything?
> How do you know that all members of your organization are registered
> voters?
>
> Jeff -- there are real problems with ICANN, and things that need to be
> changed.  The problem is there are too many nutcases, like yourself,
> screaming from the ceiling about things which are either irrelevant
> or which you have no real technical grasp.  People like you hurt the
> cause of people who are really trying to make honest changes, and
> attempting to engage ICANN in honest debate.
>
> You should do yourself, and the members of this list a favor and
> unsubscribe.  Perhaps then a serious debate can be held.
>
> allan
> - --
> Allan Liska
> allan@allan.org
> http://www.allan.org
>
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
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