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RE: [ga] FW: Comment from the gTLD Registry Constituency
Ross,
To follow-up on my original post so there is no confusion. My statement did
not explicitly state nor was it meant to imply that you made false or
inaccurate statements in connection with the DROC litigation. What I was
trying to impress upon you is that some people take and construe the heated
dialogue between participants on this list and use it for their
personal/political benefit. As I have stated in past and documented in my
Congressional testimony earlier this year, my wife was confused by two
domain name renewal statements that she received in the mail.
One of the more important ICANN lessons that I learned after the Melbourne
meeting and the VeriSign contract renegotiation debacle was the need for
constituencies to take accountability for their actions. One of the reasons
that the Registrar Constituency has signed votes on major positions is so
that there is documented ACCOUNTABILITY. Without going into the details, my
friends at VeriSign wanted to know who in the registrars constituency
provided the information that was the basis of the registrar constituency's
statements in Melbourne. This event demonstrated to me first hand the need
for constituencies to take responsibility and accountability for their
actions.
Unlike other constituencies that put forth and advocate positions on behalf
of global constituencies without ever showing the actual signatories to the
position, the registrars and registries sign on the dotted line. Other
constituencies engage in what I call this the Great Wizard of Oz slide of
hand, where a select few leaders that are able to physically attend every
meeting allegedly speak on behalf of their global constituency.
Unfortunately the silence of members should not equate to acquiescence or
acceptance. All I am requesting is that constituencies have their members
sign and take accountability. Please lets not allow a few leaders to hide
behind the curtain like in the Wizard of Oz and pretend they are someone
they are not.
By way of example, on behalf of the registrar constituency, I sent a letter
to the DoC supporting ICANN reform along with email confirmation from EVERY
signatory. No short cuts, no putting words into people's mouth.
Accountability pure and simple. The most recent post to the ERC was done in
consultant with the Registrar Executive Committee to reaffirm the Registrar
Constituency's support of ICANN reform including the increase voting rights
as discussed in Amsterdam.
I could go on but I am probably only speaking to a wall since most people
have already made up their mind.
So in summary Ross, please don't put words in my mouth, and hopefully this
email clarified any ambiguities that people may have read into mine.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Michael
D. Palage
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:49 AM
To: Ross Wm. Rader; ga@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [ga] FW: Comment from the gTLD Registry Constituency
Ross,
I never said that "users" should not be involved in policy development.
Obviously the DROC litigation did not teach you a lesson about false and
inaccurate statements.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Ross Wm.
Rader
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:15 AM
To: ga@dnso.org
Subject: Re: [ga] FW: Comment from the gTLD Registry Constituency
> This has to be one of the most inaccurate postings in recent memory.
And completely besides the original point. To get back to the real issue,
the registry constituency and the registrar constituency executive have
determined somehow that "users" need not be concerned with the development
of policy within the DNSO.
This is an untenable position that completely ignores the reality of the
DNSO by assuming that the contracts that registries and registrars have with
ICANN should somehow provide them with preferential treatment at the expense
of registrants. Brett rightly pointed out that there is a compromise
position here that isn't being explored - perhaps it is time to pick up that
ball and run with it.
-rwr
"There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an
idiot."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Dengate Thrush" <barrister@chambers.gen.nz>
To: <ga@dnso.org>
Cc: <cctld-discuss@wwtld.org>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] FW: Comment from the gTLD Registry Constituency
> This has to be one of the most inaccurate postings in recent memory.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neuman, Jeff" <
> trims
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [ga] FW: Comment from the gTLD Registry Constituency
>
>
> > Thanks Elizabeth, we do recognize the difference at Neustar. However,
we
> > also recognize that there are certain issues that should be considered
> > "global policy issues" and for these it is more appropriate to have a
> global
> > body, like the ICANN, to provide that forum than to rely on just the
local
> > community. A few examples of these types of issues include (1) Grace
> > Periods, (2) Transfers, (3) Escrow, (4) Dispute Resolution Policies, and
> (5)
> > Uniform Deletion Periods, etc.
> >
> >
>
> For any one to seriously regard these as issues which a cctld is going to
> regard as not entirely matters of local law is sadly out of synch. with
> reality.
>
> There is nothing -not even the existence (or not) of any of these which
> necessarily has the slightest to do with ICANN. They are all operational
> requirements within the local law.
>
> Some -perhaps all of these - might be adopted by a local cctld if its
people
> believe they want them (Most in fact have them) But to suggest that its an
> ICANN issue whether we in NZ (for example) even have a policy on escrow is
> quite misguided.
>
> Say it after me: IT IS NOT ICANN"S JOB TO MANAGE THE CCTLDs.
>
> If a cctld is run "badly", it is not ICANN's job to make it run to its
> definition of "well".
>
> If a cctld wants to run with out escrow -whatever I or you may think of
> that -that is its choice.
>
> It does not derive permission to run the cctld from ICANN. ICANN merely
> manages the IANA database which records who the manager is. Crucial
> distinction from the gtlds.
>
> It has nothing to do with ICANN - with technical coordination of domain
> names, if, in a country, there were no provision for resolving complaints
of
> cybersquatting. How can it possibly be of any concern to the technical
> stability of the net if trade mark owners were arguably losing rights
> because others were registering their brands as domain names?
>
> Either those trade mark owners have remedies under the local law - or they
> don't, and nothing about ICANN or cctld management can have anything to do
> with it.
>
> Other responsible for Mr Neuman need to understand how damaging this kind
of
> foolishness is.
>
> The potential for creating a place where the advisability of these issues
> can be discussed, where experience can be shared, and common practices
> voluntarily adopted for the common good will be quite lost.
>
> Count up how many countries have signed contracts with ICANN. Ever wonder
> why even countries like Canada, Mexico, France, Korea and the
Netherlands,
> all of whom have had citizens on the ICANN board are missing from the
list?
>
> Regards
> Peter Dengate Thrush
> Senior Vice Chair
> Asia Pacific TLD Association
> ccAdcom Meeting Chair
>
> Peter Dengate Thrush
> Senior Vice Chair
> Asia Pacific TLD Association
>
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