Re: [ga] WHOIS INTERIM REPORT OPEN for PUBLIC COMMENT

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Marilyn and all assembly members, stakeholders/users and other interested parties,

Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:

> Jeff, as you know, only the TF members have posting privileges to the TF archives. When requested, I do post for anyone who asks me, IF their post is on topic to the TF's work.

  This is inadequate as you know as it is a form of censorship and cannot
lead to openness and transparency.  Hence this is a really very amateurish
excuse, Marilyn.  Please stop such circular nonsensical retorts...

>
>
> However, regardless of that usual practice, I see no reason to forward now, since the comments site is open.
>
> In particular, I wouldn't forward emails addressed as above to the WHOIS TF just because I am the addressee. It would seem both impolite and without authorization to presume to do so.

  Authorization?  Who is the individual that needs to authorize such, and why
is it that comments that are being requested, posted to the above and documented
E-mail address, required "Permission" to be posted there?  Pretty dam odd
Marilyn...  :(  Also bad manners as well as purposefully misleading...

>
>
> However, comments which are about the substance of the Interim Report are welcomed at comments-whois@dnso.org.  I note that you are directing your comments there. Thanks.

  Yes as was John Berryhill's comments which were purposefully not in the
Archives even though they were posted to comments-whois@dnso.org.
In addition these very comments as the preceding post on this thread,
are indeed about the substance of the Interim Report, although indirectly...

>
>
> Regards, Marilyn Cade
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 3:17 AM
> To: comments-whois@dnso.org
> Cc: Cade,Marilyn S - LGA; Don Evans; Nancy J. Victory; cathy Handley;
> Robin Layton; Vittorio Bertola; DNSO Secretariat; ga@dnso.org; Clyde
> Ensslin
> Subject: Re: [ga] WHOIS INTERIM REPORT OPEN for PUBLIC COMMENT
>
> Marilyn and all assembly members, stakeholders or other interested parties,
>
>   Thank you Marilyn for this hopefully honest change in attitude regarding
> comments and suggestions to the Whios Interim Report coming from
> myself or others which have time and time again filed or sent in comments
> on the Whois issue over the past 3 years.  As I have myself done
> so in my own behalf and also in the behalf of our [INEGroup]
> members on this go around (BTW seemingly very much over
> redundant).  My personal comments and suggestions are, and should
> still be pretty well understood and known.  In addition those
> suggestions/comments of INEGroup's collective position, are
> very much in line with mine with some notable exceptions, also
> a number of times posted to the several and various "Black Hole"
> E-Mail addresses for these purposes.
> See for instance, the Than required E-Mail address for such comments
>  mailto:secretariat@dnso.org  to which I cannot find any reference
> to a Archive for these comments on the DNSO.ORG web site
> any longer but were requested to be sent to this E-Mail address
> from here: http://www.icann.org/committees/whois/
>
>   In addition to this obvious seemingly purposefully confusing
> fiasco, I also noticed that the comments are responses on this
> very thread do not appear in the archives of this E-Mail list
> forum did not, John Berryhills dated Oct. 15.  These
> archives are located supposedly at:
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-whois/Arc00/
>
>   So Marilyn I am again finding it very difficult to believe that
> you are very sincere in your contention as to my or any comments,
> given the veracity of John Barryhill's, regarding comments and/or suggestions
> that do not fit into this Task Forces perhaps cookie-cutter desires...
>
>   This iteration of lengthening or stretching out of the WHOIS issue
> by the creation of the so called "Task Force" which is of questionable
> legitimacy in the first place, is yet again another of ICANN's process
> finagling that fails to reach a reasonable cross section of stakeholders
> that make up the Task Forces members.  Hence it is clear yet again
> that such an approach without concerted oversight, which is seemingly
> absent, does not now, and cannot in the future, even begin to approach a
> method of arriving at any remote sort of "Consensus" based policy
> determination.
>
> Cade,Marilyn S - LGA wrote:
>
> > Jeff, as co-chair of the WHOIS Task Force, I wish to provide a clarification regarding your comments. The Interim Report has just been published. Vittorio's comments were on the Final Report on the Survey Results. It appears that you have the two confused. The Interim Report was just published adn is open for comment for just over three weeks.
> >
> > One of the TF members is contacting him regarding getting a clear copy of his previous comments  on the earlier document for the link into the TF report.
> >
> > In the meantime, comments on the Interim Report are welcomed.  Please address your input to the comment site so that the TF, and other interested parties are able to benefit from your review and comments. I am sure that the TF will find your comments, after you read the Interim Report, of interest.
> >
> > Regards, Marilyn Cade
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 9:33 PM
> > To: comments-whois@dnso.org; Don Evans; Nancy J. Victory; cathy Handley;
> > Robin Layton
> > Cc: Vittorio Bertola; DNSO Secretariat; ga@dnso.org; Clyde Ensslin
> > Subject: Re: [ga] WHOIS INTERIM REPORT OPEN for PUBLIC COMMENT
> >
> > Vittorio and all assembly members, stakeholders or other interested parties,
> >
> >   Thank you for again pointing to you comments/suggestions regarding
> > the WHOIS INterim Report.  They were interesting re-reading.  I for
> > one did read them originally as well as filed them in my database
> > for future reference.
> >
> >   As has been the ICANN BoD's and Staff's long standing practice
> > of being very selective in the suggestions/comments and questions submitted
> > via their "Black Hole" public comment E-Mail addresses, you nor
> > any other stakeholders/user should be very surprised as to the
> > lack of good policy in considering public stakeholder/user input
> > from ICANN.
> >
> > Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Task Force,
> > >
> > > while reading your Interim Report, I noticed inside it the following summary
> > > of my previous comments:
> > >
> > > >·        August 28, 2002: Comments of Vittorio Bertola
> > > >
> > > >Could not access the comments.  The attached document was encrypted in Bin-Hex format which my computer was unable to decrypt.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, no one from the Task Force ever contacted me to check what
> > > happened to the file, or ask to resubmit my comments in a different format.
> > > Moreover, I had also sent the comments to the GA list in plain text format:
> > >
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg03717.html
> > >
> > > While I understand that members of the Task Force are busy and occupied in
> > > lots of other activities, and that they don't necessarily read all the posts
> > > on the GA list, and that in the future I should limit myself to plain text
> > > rather than Word documents, it is a little frustrating to spend some hours
> > > in reviewing and commenting a document only to discover after two months
> > > that your comments were never even opened - especially when the lack of
> > > participation in policy-making processes by members of the user community is
> > > often used as an instrument to justify the ongoing reduction of their weight
> > > inside ICANN.
> > >
> > > I hope that you will now be able to load the aforementioned URL in your
> > > browser and give a chance to my comments too (and to any updated comments
> > > which I may submit in the next days).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > --
> > > vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
> > > --------> http://bertola.eu.org/ - Archivio FAQ e molto altro... <--------
> > >
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Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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