Re: [ga] Developing Nations/Whois

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Eric and all assembly members,

eric@hi-tek.com wrote:

> Each unique internet community of users has unique needs and concerns.
> Privacy is entirely different in India then it is in Mexico. The examples are
> too obvious and many.
>
> However there are some universal truths that we may hold self evident.  The
> higher the level of privacy the better for the individual.  The lower the level
> of privacy the better for big business. Now if you are hungry do you want
> privacy or a job?

  If I am hungry, I should not have to sacrifice my privacy for a job.
This is a canonized principal of what the Privacy Act in the US
is all about.  Hence Eric, your question, leading in it's nature,
presupposes a either - or requirement.  That sort of logic
and idea was rejected over 100 years ago now...

>
> As to expiry and developing nations, I know of no place where if you do not
> continue to pay for a service you still receive it, oh it may be a communal
> payment or a subsidy but you pay.  Furthermore in most developing countries for
> most services you get no written bill, much less friendly reminders.

  How true.  And in some ways very unfortunate as well as unreasonable.
This however does not presuppose that such should remain.  In fact,
in Afghanistan for instance, this very attitude is being eroded now as it
should be.  And that is only one example...  There are many many more.

>
>
> Users and individuals in developing countries are entitled to two things when it
> comes to the Internet, dignity of the individual and a chance at using it.
> Within these two rules you have Accessibility, reliability and Security.
> Keep in mind also that the violations of privacy are quite generally directly
> proportionate to your electronic/telecommunications access. It is very difficult
> to interrupt a family dinner with a phone solicitation if the family has no
> phone.

  Good point to this issue, Whois.    As the present Task Forces recommendations
seem to require that a registrant have a contact Phone #.  I believe as do
many if not most of our [INEGroup] members, feel such a requirement is
not realistic and impedes participation at the Registrant level.  Hence
this could be considered a restraint of trade issue...

>
>
> e
>
> "Michael D. Palage" wrote:
>
> > Here are some additional comments that I received that I would like to share
> > and which I believe supports a more flexible approach to inaccurate whois.
> >
> > Although I remain committed to solving the Whois problems, I believe only a
> > comprehensive solution addressing the various issues/concerns will work. I
> > regret to say that a piecemeal solution is likely to fail.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Srikanth Narra [mailto:sri@domainmates.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:29 AM
> > To: michael@palage.com
> > Subject: Some comments on WHOIS (third world perspective)
> >
> > Briefly, from third world perspective here is what I
> > have to say, from personal experience.
> >
> > India / Africa / Philippines :-
> >
> > Quite often the domain name is registered by a friend
> > living in US on behalf of and in the name of someone
> > living in these countries.
> >
> > The email address is not accessed often. Maybe once in
> > a while. The sites if they exist are brochureware'ish.
> > The phone number might very well be neighbours not own. (Not to mention
> > language issues - person picking the phone might now speck English or
> > comprehend the topic at hand)
> > The only reliable thing might be the postal address.
> > The mail takes (easily) over a month in some cases to reach from
> > US.
> >
> > Given this circumstance, cancelling domain name or putting it on hold
> > because someone did not answer a phone or email in 15 days is pretty much
> > unrealistic from their perspective.
> >
> > The best confirmation of a domainname is the fact that
> > someone is actually paying for it. The reliable
> > mechanism to check WHOIS information might be at the
> > time of renewal. And the method of communication snail
> > mail.
> >
> > These people will be at extreme disadvantage.
> >
> > China / MiddleEast :-
> >
> > Accurate WHOIS information in case of sites might be at
> > physical / social risk to the registrant.
> >
> > Bottomline -
> >
> > What is the exact benefit the domain name owners get
> > from all the accurate WHOIS information ?
> >
> > *** (New additions I did not have on earlier email).
> > Reseller perspective -
> >
> > Reselling domain name registrations is a very risky venture given all the
> > legal and trademark hassles. Lot of registrars seem to be getting into it
> > (especially to be able to target foreign markets) as the local reseller has
> > more feel and proximity to the market.
> >
> > With shifting sand situation it places the resellers at much greater risk
> > and turbulence.
> >
> > ***
> > Foreign exchange regulations - Not all countries have freely convertible
> > currency. This forces (friend paying overseas, local reseller vs. US based
> > register usage,etc) some innovative methods to get on net.. (for background
> > perspective).
> >
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