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[ga] RE: Whois - Apnics RIR whois bugs? Re: [apnic-talk] Is the NIC-HDL id supposed to be unique
HI Son and all,
Thanks for all your discussion on this matter.
Son's explaination is clear.
Practically, it would not be an issue for anyone as long as the
following is true:
(1) No one can hack into the APNIC objects or TWNIC object to change db.
Despite they seems to have the same NIC-Handle
(2) When each of those person create their new objects, like reverse
DNS, AS number...
and they use their NIC handle to identify themself as opposed to
specify the complete
address ,city, contact tel ....
And all will beome fine. I doubt how it would be the case, how the
DB will not
be confused on whose contact to use for the new obj. But as long
as the DB can
do the job right, we as users actually can worry less.
I am actually delaying to create a new object to be based upon my NIC
handle due
to I worry about the new objects will use the other contact instead.
Just more notes for us to think about.
Sincerely all.
Meng Tsai
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Williams
Sent: Fri 11/8/2002 5:41 AM
To: John Tran
Cc: Meng Tsai; apnic-talk@apnic.net; gen full
Subject: Re: Whois - Apnics RIR whois bugs? Re: [apnic-talk] Is
the NIC-HDL id supposed to be unique
John and all Apnic members,
I can't speak for Meng here, but this explanation you provided
although
technically correct, still does not explain the duplicate Nic
Handle
problem that Meng describes... It only explains how two
separate
databases in which a Whois query using APNIC's Whois v1.3
might come up with duplicate Nic Handles. This BTW, also should
NEVER occur. Hence however in Meng's case as he reported
it, he is not looking at two separate Whois Databases when
doing a query. However that also should not matter if
assignment
of Nic Handles is done properly or if the databases are truly
unique, which is seems they are not from your query code
example.
John Tran wrote:
> Dear Meng,
>
> Thank you for your enquiry about your nic-handle.
>
> Searches of the APNIC Whois Database include results from the
TWNIC Whois database too, which is
> mirrored. As nic-handles are created independently in each of
the databases it's possible records
> will exist with apparently identical keys.
>
> However, nic-handles are unique in their respective databases.
Your nic-handle is sourced from the
> APNIC Whois Database while the other nic-handle is sourced
from the TWNIC Whois Database.
> Therefore, your nic-handle is unique in the APNIC database.
>
> No inter-database referencing of objects occurs. Consequently
it would not be possible for someone
> to use a nic-handle from the TWNIC database to update an
object in the APNIC database.
>
> To avoid confusion, it's possible to restrict searches to a
particular database by adding the
> following command option to your Whois search:
>
> -s <source>, eg. -s APNIC or -s TWNIC
>
> To illustrate the different database sources I've highlighted
these and the nic-handles in the
> search results below.
>
> person: Meng Tsai
> address: Alley 286, No. 54, 3rd Floor,
> address: Chein Kuo South Road
> phone: +886-2-701-9128
> e-mail: tsaim@mft.com
> **nic-hdl: MT1-TW
> notify: dbmon@apnic.net
> mnt-by: MAINT-NULL
> changed: hostmaster@apnic.net 19950912
> **source: APNIC
>
> person: Michael Tasi
> address: Charming Information Co., Ltd.
> address: 18NO MIN.CHIH.TUNG.RD HSIN.YING.CATY
> address: TAINAN County TAIWAN
> country: TW
> phone: +886-7-225-1215
> fax-no:
> e-mail: askdog@mail.tonet.net
> **nic-hdl: MT1-TW
> remarks: This information has been partially mirrored
by APNIC from
> remarks: TWNIC. To obtain more specific information,
please use the
> remarks: TWNIC whois server at whois.twnic.net.
> hanged: hostmaster@twnic.net 19990924
> **source: TWNIC
>
> I trust that this explains the apparent duplication of
nic-handles. If you have any more questions
> please contact the APNIC Member Services Helpdesk at:
>
> Phone: +61-7 3858-3188
> Fax: +61-7-3858-3199
> Email: helpdesk@apnic.net
>
> Best wishes
>
> Son
>
____________________________________________________________________
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_____________________________________________________________________
>
> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Meng Tsai wrote:
>
> > Hi Jeff and All
> >
> > Thanks for the notes.
> > But more important, can you or others advise how to
> > report this problem or correct the problem ?
> >
> > I got lost in the APNIC web site for searching such
> > contact info.
> >
> > Thanks in adv,
> >
> > Meng Tsai
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Williams [ mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:18 PM
> > To: Meng Tsai
> > Cc: apnic-talk@apnic.net; General Assembly of the DNSO
> > Subject: Whois - Apnics RIR whois bugs? Re: [apnic-talk] Is
the NIC-HDL
> > id supposed to be unique
> >
> >
> > Meng and all,
> >
> > Yes this needs to be corrected right away. If not, such
could be
> > a prelude to identity theft. That is a fairly serious
problem. Perhaps
> > the new APNIC Whois has some bugs in it?
> >
> > Meng Tsai wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > If not, how/who can I contact APNIC for the correction ?
> > >
> > > I found out that someone else is sharing the same handle
> > > as I have in the whois db.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Meng Tsai
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