Re: Re[3]: [ga-ext] Re: [ga] The IC constituency building results so far [was: stuff]

["L Gallegos" <jandl@jandl.com>]

FWIW, I think we need to work on an IDNHC and use whatever we have 
all learned from past efforts.  First of all, what comes first, the chicken 
or the egg?  Will it be a top-down formation where we ask ICANN BoD 
to authorize the constituency first, or form it from THIS LIST, develop a 
charter and then apply?

Personally, I think we should do both.  I think the BoD should authorize 
the constituency so that it can be formed by the members.  Then 
devleop the charter and submit it for approval.

Further, it is obvious that the BoD is going to do everything it can to 
disenfranchise any group that advocates individual partipation including 
the at-large and GA.  It's going to take a lot more than a GA list to 
combat this.

We either come together now and work toward creating something solid 
or we lose to the power that be.  If there is such contentiousness wrt 
IDNO or any other pre-exiting group, then start fresh right now, and as I 
said, use what we have learned from past experience.  Start working on 
a set of guidelines that will be acceptable and workable instead of 
haggling over history.

>From my perspective, I will use my "delete" key quite a bit.

Leah


On 10 May 2001, at 22:38, William X. Walsh wrote:

> Hello Joop,
> 
> Thursday, May 10, 2001, 9:15:17 PM, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> 
> > At 19:09 10/05/01 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> 
> >>> The exercise has also exposed the weaknesses inherent in "on-line"
> > democracy.
> >>> The excessive power of  a single dissenting individual with too much
> > time on
> >>> his hands.
> >>
> >>A single dissenting individual?
> >>
> >>I'll stick my neck out here, because in this case Joop, you are flat out
> >>lying.
> >>
> 
> > William, I made a generalized observation about on-line democracy.
> > Of course you stick your neck out.  
> > Getting removed from the list by the moderator will save you from having
> > to prove your allegations and allow you to claim being gagged.
> > Transparent ploy.
> 
> Joop, there is no ploy going on.
> 
> I'm still working to get people who can actually get through to you to drop
> this counter productive issue without forcing myself and others to bring
> the entire IDNO debate back into the limelight.
> 
> For the record, 3 people on the IDNO list have responded to your post
> earlier and all of them agree that you should not be making the IDNO
> the focus of an effort to get a domain owners constituency moved
> forward.  This doesn't include posts made to the GA list saying the
> same thing.
> 
> Do you still want to claim that this is just one person?
> 
> I'm being very conservative in what I say, because I recognize the
> harm that us getting into this debate can cause, and I want to give
> you every reasonable chance to work positively instead of negatively.
> 
> I've proven the allegations many times, and the proof is in the IDNO
> archives (of which I have full copies as well, in the event they are
> doctored).
> 
> We've been here before, and your insistence along this line will not
> foster positive progress.
> 
> So answer this point blank, do you intend to make the IDNO the focus
> of your push for a domain owner's constituency?
> 
> I've been treating you with kids gloves since you brought this entire
> issue up, giving you every chance to save face.
> 
> You're own supporters pushed you to back down when this all came to a
> head in the IDNO earlier this year.  Do you really expect them to
> support your IDNO campaign now at the expense of a real chance at
> getting a constituency proposal advanced from the GA?
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> William X Walsh
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