RE: [ga-review] Expired Domains, Transfers

[Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>]

Excellent example of why MHSC domains are still with NSI.
	1) Don't fix what ain't broke.
	2) Let sleeping dogs continue sleeping.
	3) Don't fight too many battles at onece.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:terastra@terabytz.co.nz]
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 7:41 PM
> To: ga-review@dnso.org
> Subject: [ga-review] Expired Domains, Transfers
> 
> 
> One interesting variation on the scenario.(true story)
> 
> Registrant J has a nonprofit.com and a non-profit .org name, 
> registered by 
> SECONDREGISTRAR and seeks the cheapest registrar for it. He 
> has already 
> opted out of the automatic renewal scheme.
> 
> He finds the website of a mom'npop cheapo registrar and initiates a 
> transfer procedure. He is informed that there are NO refunds 
> for failed 
> transfers.
> 
> He goes ahead anyway and asks mom'npop registrar to start 
> with the transfer 
> of his nonprofit.com
> 
> After 5 days, reply comes back that  SECONDREGISTRAR refuses 
> to transfer 
> the name. Reason: too close to expiry date or name has 
> already expired.
> 
> Registrant J decides to abandon the .com name, and loose his 
> transfer/registration fee, but retain and transfer the .org
> 
> He initiates the transfer of the nonprofit.org from 
> SECONDREGISTRAR to 
> mom'npop registrar.
> He gets an email back from mom'npop registrar:
> *************
> Your transfer request for the following domain name has been 
> initiated:
> 
> NONPROFIT.ORG
> 
> Please allow up to 5 business days for the transfer to be completed.
> 
> **If your domain name is currently with SECONDREGISTRAR.com, 
> please note the
> following**
> 
> SECONDREGISTRAR.com will be contacting you via email 
> requesting approval 
> for the
> domain name transfer.  You must respond to this email by 
> scrolling to the
> bottom of the email then clicking on a link which takes you to
> SECONDREGISTRAR.com's website.  You will see a white box.  
> Please type "Yes, I
> agree to this transfer."  Failure to respond within 3 days to
> SECONDREGISTRAR.com's email will prevent the domain name transfer from
> processing.  Please be sure to update your contact email address at
> SECONDREGISTRAR.com in order to ensure a successful transfer.
> 
> *****************
> 
> Registrant J waits  5 days, two weeks, a month for this 
> email, and waits......
> (here lies the rub, of course. The registrant is completely 
> dependent on 
> the good faith of the LOSING registrar)
> 
> After one months he gets worried that his second domain also 
> gets close to 
> expiration and he takes action again. He emails both mom'npop and 
> SECONDREGISTRAR
> 
> Mom'npop sends back am automated email that nonprofit.com's 
> transfer failed 
> and that nonprofit.org is  in the works and that he should get his 
> important email from SECONDREGISTRAR within 5 days.
> Registrant J emails mom'npop back that he got nothing for a 
> month and then 
> gets a reply that both transfers will be re-initiated.
> 
> SECONDREGISTRAR sends a non-comprending email back, stating: 
> your website 
> is accessible and we are your registrars, what is your problem?
> J emails again, a bit irritated and makes it clear that it is 
> the transfer 
> away from SECONDREGISTRAR that is his problem.
> 
> Finally, after more than one month and with the expiration of 
> nonprofit.org 
> looming closer, the email is sent that give access to 
> SECONDREGISTRAR's  website to allow J to ACK the transfer. 
> The usual dire 
> warnings are delivered via the website.
> 
> The rest of this story will follow. It seems that mom'npop has some 
> stringent identity requirements, such as a copy of a photo ID 
> or drivers' 
> licence, to be sent by snailmail.
> The transfer is not yet completed, but the website is now offline.
> 
> More later.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --Joop Teernstra LL.M.--
> terastra@imachination.com
> http://www.imachination.com
> 
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