Re: [ga-roots] Re: Criminalization of ICANN

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

Kent this is great;

Someone early on told me you may have different ideas but that you really knew your
stuff.  It is funny I sit around and talk with my Uncle or Dad who lived and
participated in WWII and I know more about the war from a statistical and historical
perspective than they do.  I will not be specific out of deference, but I know this
guy who back in the 70's set up root servers - or their equivalent - on Navy ships
to track the effects of Nuclear blasts.  You want to play word games with what is a
server and when they came about I think you should check in with NASA for their
pre-83 stuff.  Oh and by the way the way you improperly use the phrase alternative
all of them would be "alternative".  You seem scared of these other creatures,
perhaps if you got out of bed at night with your flashlight you would find there are
really no bogey men in your closet or underneath your bed.

"a lonesome dove has no offspring"

Peace

Kent Crispin wrote:

> On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:25:54PM -0400, L Gallegos wrote:
> > Twist and turn.  Go for it, Kent.
> >
> > On 3 May 2001, at 7:43, Kent Crispin wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 11:55:36PM -0400, L Gallegos wrote:
> > > > So very incorrect.  It is ICANN that will cause the  pandemonium with
> > > > setting the precedent making duplication okay.  It is ICANN's
> > > > responsibility to avoid it.
> > >
> > > Nope.  It was the alternate roots responsibility to avoid it, by
> > > cooperating with whatever generally accepted process were in place.
> > > That is precisely what perhaps hundreds of companies who could *easily*
> > > have created new TLDs, but instead chose to abide by the generally
> > > accepted rules.
> >
> > Generally accepted by whom?  Most of the decisions were made in
> > secret and were engineered by a select few.
>
> > >
> > > > > For all its faults, it is a simple fact that ICANN has conferred with a
> > > > > far, far larger range of stakeholders than any of the alternate roots --
> > > > > new.net, the largest of those efforts, doesn't have a hundredth of the
> > > > > representational infrastructure that ICANN does; the other groups, like
> > > > > ORSC and TLDA, are basically just little clubs.
> > > >
> > > > It has not conferred with the users nor has it paid any attention to them
> > > > when they have reacted.  It has conferred with its select backers and
> > > > made a show of offering the majority of stakeholders a voice - which it is
> > > > doing its best to eliminate as we speak and which it ignores
> > > > consistently.
> > >
> > > You are of course speaking for the ORSC and the TLDA in the above
> > > paragraph.  ICANN *has* conferred with the users, and has reacted. This
> > > is simple fact.
> >
> > No I am not.  Most of the users never had a chance.  Thousands could
> > not register to vote in the elections.
>
> In fact, of course, ICANN had a *success failure* -- the expected
> turnout was an order of magnitude greater than anyone (*especially*
> ICANN critics) expected.  Indeed there were thousands of people who
> couldn't register, but there were many tens of thousands who did
> register.
>
> > Those who managed to ask
> > questions were ignored and lip service was paid to the message boards.
>
> Where, pray tell, is the ORSC message board?  Where are the world-wide
> atlarge elections that the TLDA is holding?  Where is the
> representational infrastructure provided by the alternat root
> proponents?
>
> [...]
>
> > > Right.  And hence it is totally irresponsible to be creating alternate
> > > roots.
> >
> > They've been around for over 17 years.
>
> Oh? Do tell us more about the alternate roots that have been around for
> over 17 years.  That would be 1983, the year that TCP/IP replaced NCP;
> the same date as the very first RFCs describing the initial versions of
> DNS.  DNS wasn't really deployed until around 1984; there were only
> about 1000 hosts on the entire Internet at that time; there was
> absolutely no commercial activity on the Internet at that time.  So
> yes, it would be very interesting to hear about the alternate roots in
> place back then...
>
> --
> Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and you will be
> kent@songbird.com                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain
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