Re: draft-higgs (Re: [ga-roots] Capture and Diversion)

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Simon and all,

Simon Higgs wrote:

> At 01:45 PM 5/4/01 +0200, you wrote:
> >At 11:05 02.05.2001 -0700, Simon Higgs wrote:
> >>Then can we all assume ICANN will fully comply with this IETF document
> >>once it becomes an RFC:
> >>
> >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-higgs-root-defs-00.txt
> >>
> >>The DNSO should be fully supporting this effort to prevent collisions
> >>between roots.
> >
> >on this point, I can claim to speak with a tiny bit of authority.
> >
> >just to make the formalities clear:
> >
> >1) The author of draft-higgs chose not to grant to the IETF the rights to
> >    publish his draft as an RFC, even if it wanted to. See the copyright
> >    notice in the preface ("is NOT offered in conformance with...")
>
> And once again you are incorrect. It's published as an internet draft using
> the IETF's own "boilerplate" wording - I chose "Mandatory Statement" #3 as
> it does not grant derivative rights:
> http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt

 Thank you Simon for the clarity.  I had hoped that Harald would have been
a bit more clear in his response.

>
>
>     This document is an Internet-Draft and is NOT offered in accordance
>     with Section 10 of RFC2026, and the author does not provide the IETF
>     with any rights other than to publish as-is.

  Exactly right.  Harald, you should know this hands down.  It is obvious you
do not.  As such, possibly you should consider a in-depth review for your own
purposes?

>
>
> Rights are granted to publish "as-is" without changes to the content or
> relinquishing the copyright to the ISOC. In other words, you can't alter or
> modify it, and create a derivative work to remove liability from ICANN for
> creating/causing a name space collision.

  Good point here as well Simon.

>
>
> >2) The author of draft-higgs has not asked the RFC Editor or the IESG to
> >    consider publishing his document as any type of RFC (informational or
> >    BCP; standards-track would be inappropriate for this text)
>
> Correct. I will ask on the next draft. This version is the first draft and
> not ready for prime time. How many first drafts get published as RFCs?
> Almost none.

  Exactly, I don't recall any first drafts ever getting published as an RFC...

>
>
> >3) There has been no indication that a request for such publication would
> >    be met with a positive response. Especially, there has been no
> >    demonstration of the IETF consensus required for BCP publication; info
> >    RFCs are not the IETF's opinion about anything.
>
> There has also been no indication that a request for such publication would
> be met with a negative response. There have been no negative comments
> received. All have been positive. I'm not counting IAB comments, as they
> are part of the problem.
>
> The bottom line is that there are no collisions in the name space -
> anywhere - and this is the only way to prevent them. Cat herding, if you will.

  Well there are a number of ways to prevent collisions.  Yours is one.

>
>
> So, if you insist on opposing this draft, you are really voting for a root
> fragmentation. That's a fine example for the IETF chair to set.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Simon
>
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