Re: [ga-roots] Re: Alternate Roots, Naming Systems Coming Under Fire

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Page and all,

  Well it seems that Vint is showing his age perhaps?  He seems a little
slow to come around to reality on some things.

Page Howe wrote:

> does anyone else see the irony of this statement when applied to alternate
> roots....(the statement was from an article about internationalized names)
>
> Despite these impediments, even ICANN recognizes, as it did with new TLDs,
> that it can only stand in the way of new technology for so long. "All the
> other organizations that are not within our process are out there doing
> things anyway," ICANN chairman Vinton Cerf was quoted as saying at the
> Stockholm meeting in response to the pleas to delay deployment of
> multilingual domain names.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "List Admin" <patrick@quad.net.au>
> To: "Karl Auerbach" <karl@CAVEBEAR.COM>
> Cc: "[ga-roots]" <ga-roots@dnso.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 6:19 PM
> Subject: [ga-roots] Re: Alternate Roots, Naming Systems Coming Under Fire
>
> > From: Karl Auerbach <karl@CaveBear.com>
> > To: [ga-roots] <ga-roots@dnso.org>; Patrick Corliss <patrick@quad.net.au>
> > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 05:39:24 -0700 (PDT)
> > Subject: Re[2]: [ga-roots] Alternate Roots, Naming Systems Coming Under
> Fire
> >
> >
> > > The ones here seem to think that there must be a uniform "inclusive"
> > > namespace, and not multiple namespaces that are unique to each other.
> >
> > It is interesteresting to watch folks subjecting something I wrote to what
> > appears to be an exercise in Biblical exgesis.
> >
> > > That is a direct contradiction to Karl's comments, as well as his
> > > writings that he made even before he stood for election to the BOD.
> >
> > It is my belief that we never had and never will have a global uniform
> > name space for the internet - we have always had bumps and lumps such as
> > hostfiles, hidden names (i.e. hosts behind filters/firewalls), local
> > naming systems (netbios, YP/NIS), configuration flaws (i.e. MX records but
> > no A records), etc.
> >
> > As I've argued, there are non-technical pressures that push for a core of
> > consistency - it is, after all, inconvenient to encounter names of limited
> > scope, particularly when one is outside of that scope.
> >
> > As came up in Stockholm during my public talk with Fred Baker - the focus
> > of this discussion is not on whether inconsistencies can arise, or even
> > whether such inconsistencies can cause some unpleasant things to happen
> > (they can), but whether these inconsistencies will grow to the extent that
> > the represent a greater inconvenience than the already-existing
> > inconsitencies that we have lived with for years.  And if so, is there
> > anything that can be done?  And if so (the Markov chain is growing) who,
> > if anyone, shall do the deed?
> >
> > As has been pointed out in numerous places, competing roots that contain
> > the same data are not a danger of any kind (except perhaps to those
> > regulatory bodies that want to exercise control over "the name space" by
> > leveraging their power over a single choke-point into power over the
> > entire space.)
> >
> > My sense is that many in the alternate root community are doing the
> > sensible and politic thing - avoiding situations in which direct conflicts
> > occur.  They seem to be saying that it is acceptable to add
> > non-conflicting items to the name space - much like the * and # keys added
> > to the 0..9 keys on old rotary dial telephones - but that it is impolitic
> > to invite conflicts.
> >
> > That's fine, and it does raise the point that the body that provides even
> > that small amount coordination does have at least cast a vague shadow of
> > ICANN-like-ness.
> >
> > My point is that even without that kind of explicit coordination there
> > will be pressures, pressures coming from enlightened self interest, that
> > will drive name space providers to come up with a product that, when
> > viewed by the consumer, is quite consistent with other products and
> > lacking in surprises.
> >
> > And my further point is that the net will continue to run even if other
> > name space communities arise that don't want to play with the rest of us
> > (for example, net-gamers and kiddees are likely to adopt their own name
> > spaces just as they adapt their own jargon elsewhere).
> >
> > --karl--
> >
> >
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Regards,

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