Re: [ga-rules] Procedures and Process

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

WXW, Joanna and all,

William X. Walsh wrote:

> Hello Joanna,
>
> The GA acts by consensus.  The difficult part of consensus is that you
> cannot make a hard and fast definition of consensus.  It is one of
> those things that you know when you see it.

  Incorrect.  Consensus must be measured by vote before a consensus
can be declared reasonably.  Otherwise consensus and non consensus
can be declared out of hand that may or may not exist.

>
>
> There is no "next stage" to issues raised in the GA.

  Incorrect again.  The two motions passed by vote just before
Stockholm are examples for instance...

>
>
> Someone raises an issue, and if it gets substantive support, and
> opposition to it is not substantive, or the opposition becomes less
> through compromise in the position, then the chair can declare that
> s/he sees a consensus occuring, and move it to a vote to confirm it.

  This would depend on the Motion brought forward.

>
>
> This is hard for some to accept and deal with, especially those who
> are used to 50%+1 of actively voting participants deciding issues.
>
> That isn't how the GA works.

  50%+1 is a majority consensus if a vote has determined such exists.

>
>
> Sunday, June 24, 2001, 12:27:25 PM, Joanna Lane wrote:
>
> > Hello Dassa,
> > Very good suggestion. Without an agreed procedure, it's very difficult to
> > make any real progress with any proposal that is met with even very limited
> > opposition, unless it already fits with an NC/ BoD agenda, which is not
> > concerned with introducing a process to micro-manage the GA. Catch 22.
>
> > Without wishing to spend a great deal of time on anything other than the
> > substantive issues facing the GA at this time, I do think it's very
> > important for the Assembly to be required by its Rules to give proper
> > consideration to any proposalthat meets certain criteria. Anf then, to deal
> > with it in a specified way.
>
> > The question is, what is the criteria that members can reasonably be
> > expected to meet, in order for their proposals to be taken to the next
> > stage?
>
> > My suggestion would be to include:-
>
> > 1) Endorsement by 10 members (to fit with agreed nomination procedures) of
> > the proposal document. The proposal document to include an Impact Statement,
> > that attempts to answer a few basic questions -
>
> > a) How does this proposal fit with the ByLaws, White and Green papers?
> > b) Is this a proposal to improve to existing operations or to make a
> > structural change to DNSO?
> > c) What are the cost implications?
> > d) What are the possible adverse effects and benefits to the various
> > stakeholder groups?
> > e) Has outreach been undertaken, and if not, how is it proposed to achieve
> > consensus amongst affected stakeholders?
> > f) What is the proposed timeline/ deadline for implementation?
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> > Regards,
> > Joanna
>
> > on 6/24/01 3:36 AM, Dassa at dassa@dhs.org wrote:
>
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> Looking over http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaindex.html I see there doesn't
> >> appear to be a document outlining the procedures and processes for the
> >> making of motions and for how motions are dealt with in the GA Assembly.
> >>
> >> I would suggest a single document that links all the procedures and
> >> processes of the GA Assembly together for easy reference.
> >>
> >> I suggest it may be helpful for everyone is such a document is developed
> >> and linked into the Administration Documents of the GA.
> >>
> >> Darryl (Dassa) Lynch.
> >>
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