Re: [ga-sys] British Privacy Laws

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Joanna and all

Joanna Lane wrote:

> Hello Patrick,
>
> Welcome to the GA-SYS list, where I have now forwarded your comments,
> together with my reply below.
>
> Regards,
> Joanna
>
> on 6/12/01 12:51 AM, Patrick Greenwell at patrick@stealthgeeks.net wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Joanna Lane wrote:
> >
> >> As a British citizen, I find myself advocating an EU position, pitted
> >> against the US position, represented by William Walsh. This has certainly
> >> increased my understanding about how US citizens have become conditioned to
> >> accept intrusion into their private lives, something that is not accepted so
> >> readily by the rest of the world.
> >
> > Joanne, with all due respect, I don't believe it is fair to generalize the
> > position of an entire country based on the opinions of one individual.
>
> Yes, I can generalize about an entire country when its based on the laws of
> that country. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of law. The
> European Commission, which represents 15 countries, made the law, not I.
> Perhaps what I should have said is "I find myself advocating an EU Law".
>
> > Further, Britian has enacted some of the most intrusive legislation
> > related to the Internet that exists, the Regulation of Investigatory
> > Powers, which among other things gives British authorities the right
> > to intercept ALL Internet traffic as well as force individuals to turn
> > over encryption keys WITHOUT a warrant. I'd hardly call Britain a model of
> > privacy....
>
> Irrelevant. First, Britain is only one of 15 countries in the EU. It is
> often outvoted, which is why the UK no longer sells gallons of fuel and
> pounds of potatoes, instead it's litres and kilos. Second, you are talking
> police authorities accessing information in the line of duty to prevent
> crime. I am talking about all the crackpots in the world who have access to
> your physical contact details for any reason whatsoever. Apples and Oranges.

  Another excellent point Joanna!  It appears that Patrick is not up to
speed in this subject area yet.  Hopefully he will endeavor to get there.
I am sure there are many others that have no idea as to what this debate
is really all about either yet.  That is of course changing with every
passing day, thankfully.  Of course the ICANN BoD is only about
two years behind the curve on this issue, and only now getting
involved with their recent study. See:
http://www.icann.org/dnso/whois-survey-en-10jun01.htm .  Seems
that even tucows had beaten the ICANN BoD and staff to the
punch on this issue as well, see: http://www.opensrs.org/privacy/
for further details.  And yet even tucows is way behind the curve
as well.  The COE has instituted and excellent new revised
policy related to Private data as well see:
http://www.coe.fr/dataprotection/Treaties/projet%20de%20protocole%20E.htm
for further details.

  Some months ago to be fair to my fellow countrymen, US congressmen
and senators, two pieces of legislation in the next session of congress
will be debated.  See News article:
http://www.internetnews.com/IAR/article/0,,12_584741,00.html
for some background.

>
>
> Regards,
> Joanna
>
> >
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