[ga] Re: Universities non-commercial

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Pisanty, Mark and all,

  Dismissing the obvious FUD "Flame Bait" that Pisanty has stated in this
post and is now quite famous for in the past on many other Mailing lists
similar to this one, it would be relevant to consider that more than 60%
of all known universities world wide are NOT non-commercial in nature,
irrespective of the fact that they may charge for copies of certain types
of documentation...

Pisanty Baruch Alejandro-FQ wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> this cannot be a blanket statement concerning academic institutions. It
> has to be approached by way of fact-gathering (not JW FUD clouds of
> smoke).
>
> Public universities around the world are non-commercial. So are most
> private universities in many countries, other than for-profit
> institutiones.
>
> Some but not all academic institutions which are not universities have to
> be studied in more detail.
>
> The patents etc. issue is pretty clear, especially in the case of public
> universities and in private universities which operate R&D with
> contributions of public monies through grants. The intellectual property
> generated with public resources does not in general flow into the
> generation of profit at no cost. Undoubtedly there are a variety of
> situations which should be analyzed case by case.
>
> I do not know (unfortunately) the institution you work at, Pacific
> Community Library in New Caledonia, but I'd venture the guess that you are
> a non-commercial, non-profit institution and still charge for copies and
> other services!
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
> On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Mark Perkins wrote:
>
> > Milton
> > As has been discussed here I would very careful about assuming academic
> > institutions are non commercial. This becomes clear when one looks at issues
> > such as biopiracy and patent registrations / licensing :(
> >
> > Mark Perkins
> > Librarian (acting)
> > Secretariat of the Pacific Community Library
> > BP D5, 98848 Noumea Cedex
> > New Caledonia, South Pacific
> > Tel: 00 687 262000  Fax: 00 687 263818
> > email: markp@spc.org.nc / web: http://www.spc.org.nc
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Milton Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu]
> > Sent: 28 July 1999 02:05
> > To: Non-Commercial Domain Name Holders Constituency Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: Coments about proposal of modifications/additions to origin
> > al drafts
> >
> >
> > This is a good compromise. It is true in Asia and Africa, too: the ccTLDs
> > often
> > are operated by academic institutions, joint university cooperatives, or
> > non-profit foundations who might be eligible to join NCDNHC, but are also
> > part of
> > the ccTLD constituency.
> >
> > Let these non-commercial entities be eligible for observer status with full
> > discussion rights in our lists. That would be a suitable solution. It would
> > also
> > allow us to include people who might be excluded by the "one-constituency"
> > policy,
> > while still preventing domination of our discussions by entities who are not
> > eligible.
> >
> > Raul Echeberria wrote:
> >
> > > >But organizations that are part of another constituency and want to
> > > "observe"
> > > >in the NCDNHC?  I see problems with this -- mostly from the perspective
> > that
> > > >a participant from another constituency could be very influential in
> > shaping
> > > >an issue that we are discussing and trying to form a decision on.  Coming
> > in
> > > >from outside, with another constituency's points and persuasive
> > information,
> > > >might really sway our own discussions.
> > > >
> > > >Let me ask:  Are other constituencies allowing observers?  How involved
> > are
> > > >the "observers" allowed to be in the constituency's discussion?  Is there
> > a
> > > >way to distinguish comments of the constituency members from those of the
> > > >observers?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think that is a good idea allowing observers, BUT ONLY if they are non
> > > profit or non commercial organizations and fulfil the conditions to apply
> > > to the NCDNHC.
> > >
> > > In Latinamerica, the most of ccTLDs and national NICs are Academic
> > Networks
> > > or Universities. May be is the same in Asia, Africa and Europe.
> > > They have to choose wich constituency they participate in, but they fulfil
> > > the condition to join NCDNHC. Then, is illegal they influence our
> > > discussion ?.
> > > I think that the answer is No.
> > >
> > >
> > > Raul Echeberria -
> > > raul@inia.org.uy
> > >
> > > Instituto Nacional de Investigacion Agropecuaria.
> > > Andes 1365 Piso 12
> > > Montevideo - URUGUAY
> > > Tel. 598 2 9020550
> > >
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