[ga] Re: Non-commercial character and conflict of interest

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Pisanty and all,

  I tend to agree with you here Pisanty to a point.  However that point
is in the instance that the "Unit" as you describe it, with respect
to the operations and management of the ccTLD and the university
are indeed legally separate entities.  This may not be the case
in some instances, such as .US for instance..

  None the less, and Milton contends they should still have the
same rights to wit: 'these non-commercial entities be eligible for
observer status with full discussion rights in our lists".  I would wholly
agree with Milton's contention here....

Pisanty Baruch Alejandro-FQ wrote:

> Dear Milton, and all,
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Milton Mueller wrote:
>
> my conclusion is different. The academic institutions or the cooperatives
> you mention belong in the NCDNHC. The ccTLD administrations belong in the
> ccTLD constituency. If an institution also operates the ccTLD the UNIT
> within the institution which operates the ccTLD goes to the ccTLD
> constituency and the institution's main representation goes to the NCDNHC.
> They both file a statement related to possible conflict of interest.
>
> The situation regarding ccTLDs is far more wiry in a different, and more
> dangerous, context: when it is operated by a private organization, which
> works for profit an not for the public good, and further, as happens in
> many well-known cases, which does not even belong to the country the
> ccTLD is related to. That is where the focus belongs! These are cases
> where a commercial organization, and in many cases not a large one, is
> geting itself two ore even three votes in as many independent tracks: one
> in the business constituency, one in the ccTLD constituency, and one in
> the NCDNHC if they are smart enough to anoint themselves (or be elected,
> it may also happen) to preside the user's community of the country we
> assume they represent. These cases need a very careful analysis of
> conflict of interest and full disclosures will be in the best of
> community's interest.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
> > This is a good compromise. It is true in Asia and Africa, too: the ccTLDs often
> > are operated by academic institutions, joint university cooperatives, or
> > non-profit foundations who might be eligible to join NCDNHC, but are also part of
> > the ccTLD constituency.
> >
> > Let these non-commercial entities be eligible for observer status with full
> > discussion rights in our lists. That would be a suitable solution. It would also
> > allow us to include people who might be excluded by the "one-constituency" policy,
> > while still preventing domination of our discussions by entities who are not
> > eligible.
> >
> > Raul Echeberria wrote:
> >
> > > >But organizations that are part of another constituency and want to
> > > "observe"
> > > >in the NCDNHC?  I see problems with this -- mostly from the perspective that
> > > >a participant from another constituency could be very influential in shaping
> > > >an issue that we are discussing and trying to form a decision on.  Coming in
> > > >from outside, with another constituency's points and persuasive information,
> > > >might really sway our own discussions.
> > > >
> > > >Let me ask:  Are other constituencies allowing observers?  How involved are
> > > >the "observers" allowed to be in the constituency's discussion?  Is there a
> > > >way to distinguish comments of the constituency members from those of the
> > > >observers?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think that is a good idea allowing observers, BUT ONLY if they are non
> > > profit or non commercial organizations and fulfil the conditions to apply
> > > to the NCDNHC.
> > >
> > > In Latinamerica, the most of ccTLDs and national NICs are Academic Networks
> > > or Universities. May be is the same in Asia, Africa and Europe.
> > > They have to choose wich constituency they participate in, but they fulfil
> > > the condition to join NCDNHC. Then, is illegal they influence our
> > > discussion ?.
> > > I think that the answer is No.
> > >
> > >
> > > Raul Echeberria -
> > > raul@inia.org.uy
> > >
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> > > Montevideo - URUGUAY
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